A Doe / Buck hybrid

[Netminder01]

I don't recall ever seeing - or hearing of a doe with a rack as seen here: [url=http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/nbc-news-channel/hunter-bags-a-very-rare-trophy-361774659583]http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/nbc-news-channel/hunter-bags-a-very-rare-trophy-361774659583[/url]

A mature doe with female parts yet a wide typical rack found on a male. I'm sure the more experienced folks on here have heard of this before, but genetically I can't think of too many other species (some) with documented examples of a unisex offspring beyond a few examples but never a mammal.

Can anyone provide context as to frequency, genetic disposition, cause, etc? Curious from a biology & wildlife perspective.

Thanks,

Net.

[h20hunter]

There was just a thread here recently. Had a pic and the clue was "what is wrong with this deer".

[Netminder01]

There was just a thread here recently. Had a pic and the clue was "what is wrong with this deer".

Damn - I did a search but I probably entered the wrong string. I'll keep digging.

[Netminder01]

There was just a thread here recently. Had a pic and the clue was "what is wrong with this deer".

Damn - I did a search but I probably entered the wrong string. I'll keep digging.

This one? Doesn't seem to be the same thing... http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,128675.msg1712007.html#msg1712007

[Igor]

I don't recall ever seeing - or hearing of a doe with a rack as seen here: http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/nbc-news-channel/hunter-bags-a-very-rare-trophy-361774659583.

A mature doe with female parts yet a wide typical rack found on a male. I'm sure the more experienced folks on here have heard of this before, but genetically I can't think of too many other species (some) with documented examples of a unisex offspring beyond a few examples but never a mammal.

Can anyone provide context as to frequency, genetic disposition, cause, etc? Curious from a biology & wildlife perspective.

Thanks,

Net.

Your link does not work, but I believe the proper term for such a deer is a "hermaphrodite".

[Netminder01]

I don't recall ever seeing - or hearing of a doe with a rack as seen here: http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/nbc-news-channel/hunter-bags-a-very-rare-trophy-361774659583.

A mature doe with female parts yet a wide typical rack found on a male. I'm sure the more experienced folks on here have heard of this before, but genetically I can't think of too many other species (some) with documented examples of a unisex offspring beyond a few examples but never a mammal.

Can anyone provide context as to frequency, genetic disposition, cause, etc? Curious from a biology & wildlife perspective.

Thanks,

Net.

Your link does not work, but I believe the proper term for such a deer is a "hermaphrodite".

Fixed - thanks!

[LeviD1]

I had a doe on my cam at my parents property this past summer that had a little ball of antler on its left side. She had twins though so she's a good breaded 

[buckcanyonlodge]

I heard a lot of those are running around King County

[Netminder01]

I heard a lot of those are running around King County

All over the place on the westside for sure!

[UptheCreek]

i have had 3 different does on cam within the past year with antlers.   One of them is a multipointer!

[fishnfur]

From the Virginia Dept. of Wildlife webpage:

    There are two types of antlered does. The first are female deer with velvet-covered antlers. These animals usually have normal female reproductive tracts and are capable of bearing fawns. The second type is female deer with polished antlers. These animals are actually male pseudo-hermaphrodites. They have the external genitalia of a female, but have male sex organs internally. Antlered does are extremely rare, with probably only one or two killed annually by deer hunters in Virginia.

Google hermaphrodite - you can read all about the genetics, occurences etc.  What fun!

[TopOfTheFoodChain]

Spike bull cow taken during early muzzleloader this year in Manastash.

[Netminder01]

From the Virginia Dept. of Wildlife webpage:

    There are two types of antlered does. The first are female deer with velvet-covered antlers. These animals usually have normal female reproductive tracts and are capable of bearing fawns. The second type is female deer with polished antlers. These animals are actually male pseudo-hermaphrodites. They have the external genitalia of a female, but have male sex organs internally. Antlered does are extremely rare, with probably only one or two killed annually by deer hunters in Virginia.

Google hermaphrodite - you can read all about the genetics, occurrences etc.  What fun!

Thanks Fish!

So given this, seems like the tag applied incorrectly as a doe by the DFW to the deer in the video; correct?

[fishnfur]

I don't think it really matters what you call it - buck or doe, it's one messed up deer !   I wonder what that thing did when it had a hot doe in front of it?

[PA BEN]

There was a picture of this muledeer on the wdfw web site but I can't find it.
Doe! Hunter shoots antlered mule deer lass

 November 10, 2002

 SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — Hunting in unfamiliar territory, Joe Kiefer was thrilled to bag a 250-pound mule deer with symmetrical antlers, each with five points and 18 inches wide.

 Then, when he went to butcher the animal, excitement gave way to amazement.

 "There were no male parts down there," Kiefer said. "It looked like a male at the head end, but the undercarriage was all female."

 Kiefer, 31, of Chewelah, never expected anything like the antlered doe he shot recently in Douglas County in the central part of Washington state.

 "Most people don't believe the deer came from Eastern Washington," he joked. "They think it has to be a cross-dressing city slicker from Seattle."

 The first clue that this was no ordinary deer was that most of the velvet was still on the antlers. Bucks rub off the velvet on trees, brush and saplings at the start of the mating season in late summer.

 "I took lots more pictures because I knew no one would believe me," Kiefer said.

 Jack Reneau, record keeper for the Boone and Crockett Club in Missoula, Mont., said he had never heard of such a big-antlered doe. The club will solicit information on its Web site to try to determine whether Kiefer's kill is a world record for does.

 According to the Maryland Department of Natural Resources, antlers appear on about one in 20,000 whitetails, but information on the occurrence in mule deer is more sparse.

 Kiefer said a Washington state wildlife biologist told him a female deer occasionally sprouts one or two fuzzy spikes.

 In any event, the kill was legal. Kiefer's buck tag was valid because state hunting regulations refer to "antlered deer" and "antlerless deer," rather than to bucks and does — precisely for such situations.

[Band]

Spike bull cow taken during early muzzleloader this year in Manastash.

That's what you call an elk with 2 racks.

[robescc]

Even though I am sure there is nothing wrong with the meat, I couldn't bring myself to eat it and I'll eat anything.

[wadu1]

Even though I am sure there is nothing wrong with the meat, I couldn't bring myself to eat it and I'll eat anything.

Why not --- they taste like chicken 

[Netminder01]

Even though I am sure there is nothing wrong with the meat, I couldn't bring myself to eat it and I'll eat anything.

I would've tried it, paired with a nice whiskey!

[Bofire]

Most of the rules are about antlered or not, not sex. which is why keeping proof of sex attached never made any sense to me.
Carl

[Jonathan_S]

Spike bull cow taken during early muzzleloader this year in Manastash.

brings a new meaning to "true spike"   

Sucker's leg sure broke hard.

[TopOfTheFoodChain]

Spike bull cow taken during early muzzleloader this year in Manastash.

brings a new meaning to "true spike"   

Sucker's leg sure broke hard.

Yeah, somebody was a bit shaky on a follow up shot 

[Jonathan_S]

Spike bull cow taken during early muzzleloader this year in Manastash.

brings a new meaning to "true spike"   

Sucker's leg sure broke hard.

At least it wasn't the first shot   

Nice elk, how big was it?

Yeah, somebody was a bit shaky on a follow up shot 

[TopOfTheFoodChain]

Spike bull cow taken during early muzzleloader this year in Manastash.

brings a new meaning to "true spike"   

Sucker's leg sure broke hard.

At least it wasn't the first shot   

Nice elk, how big was it?

Yeah, somebody was a bit shaky on a follow up shot 

It was quite large for a spike. Had udders full of milk and a calf cow that didn't want to leave.

[Tight Spin]

My son shot a buck in velvet last year in Montana in Nov that had a pecker but no testicules

[fish vacuum]

My son shot a buck in velvet last year in Montana in Nov that had a pecker but no testicules

I've read that they will remain in velvet if their testicles get injured. Something about not producing the hormones that cause the velvet to stop growing and fall off.

[Jonathan_S]

My son shot a buck in velvet last year in Montana in Nov that had a pecker but no testicules

I've read that they will remain in velvet if their testicles get injured. Something about not producing the hormones that cause the velvet to stop growing and fall off.

It's because when normal bucks shed velvet, their antlers are dying so they can put all testosterone into sperm generation.  When they have no testiculars, the hormones just keep on truckin with the fuzzy velvet.