BANNING GUNS IN LEGISLATURE CHAMBER

[h20hunter]

That is the golden question indeed. The answer: I dont' know. If I did I would sure be doing more than I already do. I'm referring to my comments above. You question about hiding the harvest. Good point. Hiding is not good nor is flaunting. Its so moment to moment that you simply can't please everyone. Like many things its easier to see and know what isn't working than know what will.

[rtspring]

Just to be clear, Im onboard with looking like fools in front of the general public, but telling one to wear a suit and tie is stupidity at best. Nicely dressed sure! A whole lot of good people in this world dont even own a suit and tie.

One of them is me, ask anyone who has met me face to face. Whether or not Im worth my salt.  I try to do good for even the strangest of strangers. But, I cannot sit back and let people bash people for either there IQ or if they have a tie on or not.

I love guns and hunting!!! We should all come together as one and start fighting instead of being walked over everytime we turn around..

It seems at times that we stab each other rather that push our anger to the anti's.  I know I am guilty of that, I apologize for that.  Im just angered and frustrated.

[h20hunter]

Just to be clear, Im onboard with looking like fools in front of the general public, but telling one to wear a suit and tie is stupidity at best. Nicely dressed sure! A whole lot of good people in this world dont even own a suit and tie.

So, you say that you are onboard with looking like fools? Sorry, say again? Do you think those that are pushing for further restrictions share that opinion? I don't think they do.

Of course plenty of good people out there don't own a suit and tie. You have seized that single element of many comments and continue to rant about it.

[baldopepper]

I think we sometimes underestimate what writing and contacting our local legislators does.  I spent a good deal of time working with them on fishing measures some years ago and found that contacting your local reps does have an effect.  You can actually schedule an appointment and go see them in person.  It's going to be very difficult to do much on 594 because it was so overwhelming approved, frankly most legislators will be hesitant to tackle an issue that appears to have so much voter support. BUT, we have to remember that a state senator from little Stevens county does have as much clout as a state senator from King county.  Contact them, get educated about what you feel is unreasonable and present it in a reasonable, well prepared  manner. Keep in mind that this is not a major issue to many of our reps unless enough of us contact them to make them believe it's a major issue.  Like anyone else, they will pay little or no attention to people who scream and rant and make unrealistic, unsubstantiated demands. You can only expect them to give you as much respect as you give them.

[pianoman9701]

What's good is information. Know as much about what you say as possible and about that which your opposition says. The truth will set you free. Remember that many people are anti-gun because they've never learned about them or more importantly, never been to shoot one.  And, give money to those who fight for our rights, like SAF, CCRKBA, NAGR, NRA, etc. Also, if you already have a right and no one's threatening it, don't shine a big huge light on it so everyone sits up and says "let's go after that. That looks wrong to me." Attending a rally to voice your opposition to restrictions with reason, facts, and common sense is great and usually well-received. Americans as a whole listen to eloquence and understand the truth when they hear it. Attending a rally looking like the Clampett family, or even worse looking like the groom's party at a Shiite wedding, complete with AKs and screaming doesn't make us look mainstream like we really are. It makes us look extremist.

In no way am I suggesting laying down and waiting for the gun grabbers to take our guns. Not a certain kind of gun, nor a magazine capacity - none of it. I'm suggesting we get out of the threatening fight mentality and present our views as normal and mainstream; retaining our Constitutional rights is just common sense.

[rtspring]

Just to be clear, Im onboard with looking like fools in front of the general public, but telling one to wear a suit and tie is stupidity at best. Nicely dressed sure! A whole lot of good people in this world dont even own a suit and tie.

So, you say that you are onboard with looking like fools? Sorry, say again? Do you think those that are pushing for further restrictions share that opinion? I don't think they do.

Of course plenty of good people out there don't own a suit and tie. You have seized that single element of many comments and continue to rant about it.

Yes looking like fools? I never did say those in question!! A fool as in a AR15 over your shoulder walking down main street!  Dont put words in others mouths and you will fair alot better pilgrim...

Your the ignorant one who said " you must have a tie on"". Or your nobody!!!  How do you say it again?? YOU NAILED IT MAGS!!

Ha, you questioning my intelligence is a joke.  It took you 3 months to kill one bear  

[h20hunter]

Just to be clear, Im onboard with looking like fools in front of the general public, but telling one to wear a suit and tie is stupidity at best. Nicely dressed sure! A whole lot of good people in this world dont even own a suit and tie.

So, you say that you are onboard with looking like fools? Sorry, say again? Do you think those that are pushing for further restrictions share that opinion? I don't think they do.

Of course plenty of good people out there don't own a suit and tie. You have seized that single element of many comments and continue to rant about it.

Yes looking like fools? I never did say those in question!! A fool as in a AR15 over your shoulder walking down main street!  Dont put words in others mouths and you will fair alot better pilgrim...

Your the ignorant one who said " you must have a tie on"". Or your nobody!!!  How do you say it again?? YOU NAILED IT MAGS!!

Ha, you questioning my intelligence is a joke.  It took you 3 months to kill one bear

It took me a lot longer than 3 months...I didn't kill one for quite some time. That is besides the point.

I understand that you see things in black and white and don't see my point regarding mine as well as others when it comes to how we dress. I clearly said the suit and tie is an example of looking professional. Nothing more.

You said you are onboard with looking the fool in front of others. Your words not mine. I have not resorted to calling anyone ignorant. I'm not putting words in anyones mouth. I don't believe you are reading what you are typing and are responding out of emotion.

I also have not questioned your intelligence. I'm trying to keep the discussion openminded and non arguementative.

I suppose if you can not have a discussion without using insults and becoming emotional than I'll refrain from quoting your words, not mine, and offering my comments to the discussion.

[magnanimous_j]

agreed 100%.so how do we turn it around?How do we educate the ones on the fence without sending them running the other way?When I harvest an animal people that see it that are not hunters want to come over and check it out most of them think its awsome and want to check into hunting a little some dont at all but i would say most do.So is hiding your harvest a good or bad thing these days?A lot of people want to shoot guns,is there any ideas as to how we can get more people into it without breaking these new laws that were put on us?I dont see any way thats a good way yet.If anyone has anything im sure we are all ears.Other than all these people are doing it wrong.

Guns are ingrained in American culture, so I don’t think it’s a hard sell. You are right, there are plenty of people interested in them, but don’t know where to start. I’ve taken a handful of newbies to the range for the first time, and they usually love it. When I was on the dating market, I would regularly bring 3rd or 4th dates there. I don’t know why, but I swear that women pick it up faster than men. I love the look on their faces the first time they let one off and it actually hits paper.

As far as winning over the fence sitters, the most important thing is to not get emotional. The anti’s are completely emotional and it’s their main weakness. I was at the Ballard Farmer’s Market a few months ago during the campaign for i594, and there was a lady there with some propaganda and she was so aggressive and emotional that she looked like a total lunatic. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the people she was haranguing, and most of these people looked like they came right from shooting a Subaru commercial. North Face jackets, $200 jeans, REI light hiking shoes, Starbucks cups, the works. These people should have been in her wheelhouse, but she was launching them left and right. So I went up to her and by staying dead calm, ignoring her hysterics, and very simply refuting her points, got her SOOOOO pissed off (Me? Spinning people up? Go figure) I thought she was either going to cry or hit me.  I wish someone had recorded it, it would have been great on Youtube.

“It’s attitudes like yours that allow African-American boys to have a 10% chance of dying of violence in this country.”
“Most sociologists put the blame almost completely on generational poverty and lack of economic opportunity. Weapon accessibility is incidental. And I think they prefer black now.”
“Well, next time you read about some abusive husband shooting his wife to death, I hope it’s worth it for you to keep you little toys.”
“Wouldn’t a weapon that allows a physically weaker person to defend against a stronger one, be good for abused women?”
“AAAAAAARGGHGGGH 30 Dead kids in newton!!!!!!! AAAAAAARRUGGGH!”

It was one of my finer performances.   

[JimmyHoffa]

Yeah Mags, I heard a great one between anti/pro.  The anti was railing about background checks and went on to drive it home and said 'Mind you the AR-15 used in Newtown was legally acquired'.  The pro replied, 'In what world is murdering your own mother to steal her firearms considered legally acquiring'?

[Bob33]

One of the most important thing that gun owners and hunters can do is to model good behavior. It's human nature to remember bad incidents. You could go to a company and get good service 99 times, but when you get poor service on the 100th visit you won't forget it. The open carry individuals in Olympia left indelible impressions of what gun owners are like to a large number of individuals who otherwise had positive or neutral views. Handle firearms safely. Hunt ethically. Demand that your friends do the same.

Talk respectfully with others that may not have had positive exposure to hunting/guns.

Get engaged with organizations or activites to promote gun safety and hunting. Become a hunter education instructor.

It is as much what you do not do, as it is what you do.

[Special T]

agreed 100%.so how do we turn it around?How do we educate the ones on the fence without sending them running the other way?When I harvest an animal people that see it that are not hunters want to come over and check it out most of them think its awsome and want to check into hunting a little some dont at all but i would say most do.So is hiding your harvest a good or bad thing these days?A lot of people want to shoot guns,is there any ideas as to how we can get more people into it without breaking these new laws that were put on us?I dont see any way thats a good way yet.If anyone has anything im sure we are all ears.Other than all these people are doing it wrong.

Guns are ingrained in American culture, so I don’t think it’s a hard sell. You are right, there are plenty of people interested in them, but don’t know where to start. I’ve taken a handful of newbies to the range for the first time, and they usually love it. When I was on the dating market, I would regularly bring 3rd or 4th dates there. I don’t know why, but I swear that women pick it up faster than men. I love the look on their faces the first time they let one off and it actually hits paper.

As far as winning over the fence sitters, the most important thing is to not get emotional. The anti’s are completely emotional and it’s their main weakness. I was at the Ballard Farmer’s Market a few months ago during the campaign for i594, and there was a lady there with some propaganda and she was so aggressive and emotional that she looked like a total lunatic. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the people she was haranguing, and most of these people looked like they came right from shooting a Subaru commercial. North Face jackets, $200 jeans, REI light hiking shoes, Starbucks cups, the works. These people should have been in her wheelhouse, but she was launching them left and right. So I went up to her and by staying dead calm, ignoring her hysterics, and very simply refuting her points, got her SOOOOO pissed off (Me? Spinning people up? Go figure) I thought she was either going to cry or hit me.  I wish someone had recorded it, it would have been great on Youtube.

“It’s attitudes like yours that allow African-American boys to have a 10% chance of dying of violence in this country.”
“Most sociologists put the blame almost completely on generational poverty and lack of economic opportunity. Weapon accessibility is incidental. And I think they prefer black now.”
“Well, next time you read about some abusive husband shooting his wife to death, I hope it’s worth it for you to keep you little toys.”
“Wouldn’t a weapon that allows a physically weaker person to defend against a stronger one, be good for abused women?”
“AAAAAAARGGHGGGH 30 Dead kids in newton!!!!!!! AAAAAAARRUGGGH!”

It was one of my finer performances.

That would do more for 2A rights than the display in the Capitol! Shame on you Mags! That video clip would change they way 90% of your detractors feel about you!

[Knocker of rocks]

When I was on the dating market, I would regularly bring 3rd or 4th dates there.

The world famous third date rule?

[netcoyote]

agreed 100%.so how do we turn it around?How do we educate the ones on the fence without sending them running the other way?When I harvest an animal people that see it that are not hunters want to come over and check it out most of them think its awsome and want to check into hunting a little some dont at all but i would say most do.So is hiding your harvest a good or bad thing these days?A lot of people want to shoot guns,is there any ideas as to how we can get more people into it without breaking these new laws that were put on us?I dont see any way thats a good way yet.If anyone has anything im sure we are all ears.Other than all these people are doing it wrong.

Guns are ingrained in American culture, so I don’t think it’s a hard sell. You are right, there are plenty of people interested in them, but don’t know where to start. I’ve taken a handful of newbies to the range for the first time, and they usually love it. When I was on the dating market, I would regularly bring 3rd or 4th dates there. I don’t know why, but I swear that women pick it up faster than men. I love the look on their faces the first time they let one off and it actually hits paper.

As far as winning over the fence sitters, the most important thing is to not get emotional. The anti’s are completely emotional and it’s their main weakness. I was at the Ballard Farmer’s Market a few months ago during the campaign for i594, and there was a lady there with some propaganda and she was so aggressive and emotional that she looked like a total lunatic. You should have seen the looks on the faces of the people she was haranguing, and most of these people looked like they came right from shooting a Subaru commercial. North Face jackets, $200 jeans, REI light hiking shoes, Starbucks cups, the works. These people should have been in her wheelhouse, but she was launching them left and right. So I went up to her and by staying dead calm, ignoring her hysterics, and very simply refuting her points, got her SOOOOO pissed off (Me? Spinning people up? Go figure) I thought she was either going to cry or hit me.  I wish someone had recorded it, it would have been great on Youtube.

“It’s attitudes like yours that allow African-American boys to have a 10% chance of dying of violence in this country.”
“Most sociologists put the blame almost completely on generational poverty and lack of economic opportunity. Weapon accessibility is incidental. And I think they prefer black now.”
“Well, next time you read about some abusive husband shooting his wife to death, I hope it’s worth it for you to keep you little toys.”
“Wouldn’t a weapon that allows a physically weaker person to defend against a stronger one, be good for abused women?”
“AAAAAAARGGHGGGH 30 Dead kids in newton!!!!!!! AAAAAAARRUGGGH!”

It was one of my finer performances.

Mags takin' one for the team in Seattle. He's probably the best to represent 2A issues to the Seattle crowd because he "speaks the language" and understand the mentality. I'd probably immediately start hyperventilating when trying to confront one of those lunatics.

[KFhunter]

So what your saying is it takes a monkey to communicate in a room full of chimpanzee's.

[netcoyote]

So what your saying is it takes a monkey to communicate in a room full of chimpanzee's.

Hopefully, I was saying it in a more respectful way.