Wolf Half-truths and Lies

[wolfbait]

I think a better book title would be: Tom Remingtons half truths and lies.  You don't need to like wolves in any way to reject the guys who write this bs.    It is perfectly legitimate to want managed wolf numbers and harvest without resorting to these wild conspiracies which when repeated to non-hunters only serves to solidify the stereotypes antis peg us with.

You have the same line of BS for everyone who shows the true wolves or wolf history, if you don't agree with what has happened or is happening.

Maybe you should write a book, you could title it "Idahohunter's Disney Wolves".

[idahohuntr]

Our mutual desire to manage and hunt wolves in WA is hindered when guys like this tell lies that ultimately paint those who want management as conspiracy theorists. 

[mfswallace]

Our mutual desire to manage and hunt wolves in WA is hindered when guys like this tell lies that ultimately paint those who want management as conspiracy theorists.

Just curious ID, what is your background that gives you so much knowledge on wolves( and the ESA you just commented inferring Doc has less knowledge than you on the inner workings??)?  Not that Remington is a PHD but to spend over a year researching specifics for a book should give him some credibility. Are you a PHD or work in the field?  Nothing sinister just trying to gauge your credibility on the subjects you seem to speak up on most...so I might have a better understanding into what I can take from your thoughts

[idahohuntr]

I have education and experience in the wildlife field and esa issues.  I have worked with docs staff more than once to educate them on esa issues...I am not a phd.  But my background is irrelevant...I just want people to think for themselves...and to better enable that I am not shy about challenging the statements of folks who may even have the same end goal as me.  When folks start giving half the information on issues like wolf disease, 'illegal' introductions, attacks etc. in my view it actually undermines the credibility of the folks that simply want management and wolf control actions.  It makes it easier to marginalize hunters in the publics mind and that is a scary thing in a state like WA.  We don't need to step out on these really unsupported limbs to tell the public in WA that hunters want management, rural citizens want management, and all those that enjoy all kinds of Wildlife should want responsible management.  ( I am using 'management' in the popular context on this site...hunting, trapping, lethal removals etc). 

This issue in my mind is very similar to gun rights advocates who had their open carry demonstration recently...did it help 2nd amendment advocates in any way in this state? Or is it just what 594 advocates need to pass the next set of gun control initiatives?

[mfswallace]

I have education and experience in the wildlife field and esa issues.  I have worked with docs staff more than once to educate them on esa issues...I am not a phd.  But my background is irrelevant...I just want people to think for themselves...and to better enable that I am not shy about challenging the statements of folks who may even have the same end goal as me.  When folks start giving half the information on issues like wolf disease, 'illegal' introductions, attacks etc. in my view it actually undermines the credibility of the folks that simply want management and wolf control actions.  It makes it easier to marginalize hunters in the publics mind and that is a scary thing in a state like WA.  We don't need to step out on these really unsupported limbs to tell the public in WA that hunters want management, rural citizens want management, and all those that enjoy all kinds of Wildlife should want responsible management.  ( I am using 'management' in the popular context on this site...hunting, trapping, lethal removals etc). 

This issue in my mind is very similar to gun rights advocates who had their open carry demonstration recently...did it help 2nd amendment advocates in any way in this state? Or is it just what 594 advocates need to pass the next set of gun control initiatives?

Thanks for response

[wolfbait]

Our mutual desire to manage and hunt wolves in WA is hindered when guys like this tell lies that ultimately paint those who want management as conspiracy theorists.

I have education and experience in the wildlife field and esa issues.  I have worked with docs staff more than once to educate them on esa issues...I am not a phd.  But my background is irrelevant...I just want people to think for themselves...and to better enable that I am not shy about challenging the statements of folks who may even have the same end goal as me.  When folks start giving half the information on issues like wolf disease, 'illegal' introductions, attacks etc. in my view it actually undermines the credibility of the folks that simply want management and wolf control actions.  It makes it easier to marginalize hunters in the publics mind and that is a scary thing in a state like WA.  We don't need to step out on these really unsupported limbs to tell the public in WA that hunters want management, rural citizens want management, and all those that enjoy all kinds of Wildlife should want responsible management.  ( I am using 'management' in the popular context on this site...hunting, trapping, lethal removals etc). 

This issue in my mind is very similar to gun rights advocates who had their open carry demonstration recently...did it help 2nd amendment advocates in any way in this state? Or is it just what 594 advocates need to pass the next set of gun control initiatives?

 "When folks start giving half the information on issues like wolf disease, 'illegal' introductions, attacks etc. in my view it actually undermines the credibility of the folks that simply want management and wolf control actions." 

So basically you don't want the public to know about wolf attacks, wolf diseases, and why/how the wolves ended up ID, MT and Wyoming? You would just a soon go with CNW etc..

Do you think wolf management will be hindered if the public finds out what wolves are really about instead of the Disney wolf that mainstream media portrays?

[idahohuntr]

Our mutual desire to manage and hunt wolves in WA is hindered when guys like this tell lies that ultimately paint those who want management as conspiracy theorists.

I have education and experience in the wildlife field and esa issues.  I have worked with docs staff more than once to educate them on esa issues...I am not a phd.  But my background is irrelevant...I just want people to think for themselves...and to better enable that I am not shy about challenging the statements of folks who may even have the same end goal as me.  When folks start giving half the information on issues like wolf disease, 'illegal' introductions, attacks etc. in my view it actually undermines the credibility of the folks that simply want management and wolf control actions.  It makes it easier to marginalize hunters in the publics mind and that is a scary thing in a state like WA.  We don't need to step out on these really unsupported limbs to tell the public in WA that hunters want management, rural citizens want management, and all those that enjoy all kinds of Wildlife should want responsible management.  ( I am using 'management' in the popular context on this site...hunting, trapping, lethal removals etc). 

This issue in my mind is very similar to gun rights advocates who had their open carry demonstration recently...did it help 2nd amendment advocates in any way in this state? Or is it just what 594 advocates need to pass the next set of gun control initiatives?

 "When folks start giving half the information on issues like wolf disease, 'illegal' introductions, attacks etc. in my view it actually undermines the credibility of the folks that simply want management and wolf control actions." 

So basically you don't want the public to know about wolf attacks, wolf diseases, and why/how the wolves ended up ID, MT and Wyoming? You would just a soon go with CNW etc..

Do you think wolf management will be hindered if the public finds out what wolves are really about instead of the Disney wolf that mainstream media portrays?

I want the public to know the whole story and the real story.  Not the half truths pushed by groups like DoW and BGF etc. 

I think wolf harvest/management will be hindered or never realized in WA if the public believes hunters are as whacko as anti hunters. 

[Elkaholic daWg]

I have education and experience in the wildlife field and esa issues.  I have worked with docs staff more than once to educate them on esa issues...I am not a phd.  But my background is irrelevant...I just want people to think for themselves...and to better enable that I am not shy about challenging the statements of folks who may even have the same end goal as me.  When folks start giving half the information on issues like wolf disease, 'illegal' introductions, attacks etc. in my view it actually undermines the credibility of the folks that simply want management and wolf control actions.  It makes it easier to marginalize hunters in the publics mind and that is a scary thing in a state like WA.  We don't need to step out on these really unsupported limbs to tell the public in WA that hunters want management, rural citizens want management, and all those that enjoy all kinds of Wildlife should want responsible management.  ( I am using 'management' in the popular context on this site...hunting, trapping, lethal removals etc). 

This issue in my mind is very similar to gun rights advocates who had their open carry demonstration recently...did it help 2nd amendment advocates in any way in this state? Or is it just what 594 advocates need to pass the next set of gun control initiatives?

 So is this how you educated them?
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,168723.0.html

[Jingles]

Until we get Wolves into the populated areas on the west side the wolf lovers aren't going to change Need some in Olympia and Seattle Area.

[idahohuntr]

I'm in an airport on my phone...I can't open the link for some reason...smart phone but not operator...can you quote what you reference?

[Elkaholic daWg]

 Bearpaw's ESA topic from yesterday.....l
How about this one.

http://naturalresources.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=397998