Washington lawmaker proposes moving wolves

[CementFinisher]

Wolves arnt deer most people wont spend a bunch of money to hunt wolves

[jasnt]

Foot holds are not allowed either, nor will they ever be again

correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the nuisense wildlife permit allow the use of body gripping traps. I know snares are a no but I thought foot holds are ok with the permit?

[KFhunter]

What will be the result of delisting in this state?

A voter initiative to protect wolves forever.

Have no fear, this bill isn't going anywhere but it is far more likely to happen than your over the top threat - which isn't going to shut this topic down lest the voters get any ideas 

[CementFinisher]

From what a hear from nuisance trappers and from guys who trap for cities and countys theres no way they are handing out those permits

[JimmyHoffa]

Wolves arnt deer most people wont spend a bunch of money to hunt wolves

  and won't spend money when the deer and elk are gone, they'll go to a place with enough deer and elk.

[KFhunter]

From what a hear from nuisance traers and from guys who trap for cities and countys theres no way the are handing out those permits

Krem2 ran a story a few years back where the bio was trapping the wedge wolf pack, the bio on camera was touting the rubber padded foot hold trap and even stuck his hand in the trap to show it's viewers how it doesn't hurt or cause harm.

That was the biggest thing I've seen done to promote padded foothold traps and gave me some hope that it could eventually be used on wolves by the public on a very limited permit basis...albeit years down the road.

[idahohuntr]

What will be the result of delisting in this state?

A voter initiative to protect wolves forever.

Have no fear, this bill isn't going anywhere but it is far more likely to happen than your over the top threat - which isn't going to shut this topic down lest the voters get any ideas 

I don't have a clue what you are even trying to suggest with your post.  I will repeat again in case I was unclear: Wolf Management in Washington State will be ultimately decided by voter initiative. 

[CementFinisher]

Big difference from a government bio using them to us using them. never gonna happen

[jasnt]

Wolves arnt deer most people wont spend a bunch of money to hunt wolves

  and won't spend money when the deer and elk are gone, they'll go to a place with enough deer and elk.

not everyone can afford to hunt out of state. Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean others will not. There are plenty of wolf hunters in this state willing to spend $ hunting wolves and plenty of predator hunters hoping and praying just like me.  If there is ever so few deer and elk that we can't hunt them hunters will be turning to what is available to hunt

[CementFinisher]

State bios use houndsman and their dogs for cat studys, yet that that will not come back for us.  why do you all grasp at the idea that the state, wdfw, and voters will come around on this topic. were screwed, lets just get to a point we can try and manage them and give rural people of the ne some reprieve from the onslaught

[CementFinisher]

Get wolves where inner citie folk get some experience with fluffy and wait for public perception to change.... that change will take a very long time

[KFhunter]

What will be the result of delisting in this state?

A voter initiative to protect wolves forever.

Have no fear, this bill isn't going anywhere but it is far more likely to happen than your over the top threat - which isn't going to shut this topic down lest the voters get any ideas 

I don't have a clue what you are even trying to suggest with your post.  I will repeat again in case I was unclear: Wolf Management in Washington State will be ultimately decided by voter initiative.

Possibly for a short time, until the other animals collapse.  Even a voter initiative can't protect one animal at the severe detriment of another, your dream of wolves protected forever would be struck down in court faster than I-594. 

I almost hope this chain of events come to pass.  I think it would be very comparable to I-594.

[Humptulips]

Foot holds are not allowed either, nor will they ever be again

correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the nuisense wildlife permit allow the use of body gripping traps. I know snares are a no but I thought foot holds are ok with the permit?

Even right now WDFW is trying to clamp down on issuing those permits and we are not even talking about wolves.
But yea you could get a permit to trap wolves,
If the State delists them,
If the Feds delist them,
If it is on Private Land,
If you have a demonstrable problem that cannot be handled by other means,
If there are no lawsuits to stop management,
If WDFW allows the permits to be issued (they won't issue them for bears or cougars to most trappers, They have said they would have a training program that would make this possible but has never happened)
If,
If,
If

[kentrek]

What will be the result of delisting in this state?

A voter initiative to protect wolves forever.

Have no fear, this bill isn't going anywhere but it is far more likely to happen than your over the top threat - which isn't going to shut this topic down lest the voters get any ideas 

I don't have a clue what you are even trying to suggest with your post.  I will repeat again in case I was unclear: Wolf Management in Washington State will be ultimately decided by voter initiative.

Possibly for a short time, until the other animals collapse.  Even a voter initiative can't protect one animal at the severe detriment of another, your dream of wolves protected forever would be struck down in court faster than I-594. 

I almost hope this chain of events come to pass.  I think it would be very comparable to I-594.

Are you sure about that ?

[KFhunter]

Foot holds are not allowed either, nor will they ever be again

correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the nuisense wildlife permit allow the use of body gripping traps. I know snares are a no but I thought foot holds are ok with the permit?

Even right now WDFW is trying to clamp down on issuing those permits and we are not even talking about wolves.
But yea you could get a permit to trap wolves,
If the State delists them,
If the Feds delist them,
If it is on Private Land,
If you have a demonstrable problem that cannot be handled by other means,
If there are no lawsuits to stop management,
If WDFW allows the permits to be issued (they won't issue them for bears or cougars to most trappers, They have said they would have a training program that would make this possible but has never happened)
If,
If,
If

 

it would take *a lot* of pain