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Quote from: Bean Counter on January 22, 2015, 11:01:14 PMQuote from: bigtex on January 22, 2015, 07:37:25 PMQuote from: Bean Counter on January 22, 2015, 07:13:43 PMQuote from: KFhunter on January 22, 2015, 06:34:33 PMQuote from: Bean Counter on January 22, 2015, 06:09:49 PMOPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.By this logic I demand my second amendment right to carry concealed when I fly, go drinking, sit in front of the judge, visit friends in jail and watch the Seahawks play at home.Flying armed, sitting in front of the judge, visiting friends(?) in jail, are all on duty activities. Please carefully re-read my OP. As far as drinking alcohol I'm guessing pretty much every agency is going to prohibit drinking unless its Donnie Brasco, deep cover type work. I don't know of states that prohibit alcohol consumption while armed granting exemption to LE.Certified LEOs can fly armed while off-dutyIt could be said that because of conjoining department and TSA regs that at this point the LEO isn't 100% off duty.When an LEO is flying to Disneyland with his family, he is considered off duty to me. And in this situation he is flying armed. You can call it what you want. But to me if someone is flying armed and isn't being paid, then he isn't "on duty."
Quote from: bigtex on January 22, 2015, 07:37:25 PMQuote from: Bean Counter on January 22, 2015, 07:13:43 PMQuote from: KFhunter on January 22, 2015, 06:34:33 PMQuote from: Bean Counter on January 22, 2015, 06:09:49 PMOPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.By this logic I demand my second amendment right to carry concealed when I fly, go drinking, sit in front of the judge, visit friends in jail and watch the Seahawks play at home.Flying armed, sitting in front of the judge, visiting friends(?) in jail, are all on duty activities. Please carefully re-read my OP. As far as drinking alcohol I'm guessing pretty much every agency is going to prohibit drinking unless its Donnie Brasco, deep cover type work. I don't know of states that prohibit alcohol consumption while armed granting exemption to LE.Certified LEOs can fly armed while off-dutyIt could be said that because of conjoining department and TSA regs that at this point the LEO isn't 100% off duty.
Quote from: Bean Counter on January 22, 2015, 07:13:43 PMQuote from: KFhunter on January 22, 2015, 06:34:33 PMQuote from: Bean Counter on January 22, 2015, 06:09:49 PMOPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.By this logic I demand my second amendment right to carry concealed when I fly, go drinking, sit in front of the judge, visit friends in jail and watch the Seahawks play at home.Flying armed, sitting in front of the judge, visiting friends(?) in jail, are all on duty activities. Please carefully re-read my OP. As far as drinking alcohol I'm guessing pretty much every agency is going to prohibit drinking unless its Donnie Brasco, deep cover type work. I don't know of states that prohibit alcohol consumption while armed granting exemption to LE.Certified LEOs can fly armed while off-duty
Quote from: KFhunter on January 22, 2015, 06:34:33 PMQuote from: Bean Counter on January 22, 2015, 06:09:49 PMOPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.By this logic I demand my second amendment right to carry concealed when I fly, go drinking, sit in front of the judge, visit friends in jail and watch the Seahawks play at home.Flying armed, sitting in front of the judge, visiting friends(?) in jail, are all on duty activities. Please carefully re-read my OP. As far as drinking alcohol I'm guessing pretty much every agency is going to prohibit drinking unless its Donnie Brasco, deep cover type work. I don't know of states that prohibit alcohol consumption while armed granting exemption to LE.
Quote from: Bean Counter on January 22, 2015, 06:09:49 PMOPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.By this logic I demand my second amendment right to carry concealed when I fly, go drinking, sit in front of the judge, visit friends in jail and watch the Seahawks play at home.
OPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.
Quote from: bigtex on January 22, 2015, 11:07:46 PMQuote from: Bean Counter on January 22, 2015, 11:01:14 PMQuote from: bigtex on January 22, 2015, 07:37:25 PMQuote from: Bean Counter on January 22, 2015, 07:13:43 PMQuote from: KFhunter on January 22, 2015, 06:34:33 PMQuote from: Bean Counter on January 22, 2015, 06:09:49 PMOPPOSE. LEOs are not entitled to more rights than citizens when off duty or retired. Let EVERY CCW holder carry their gun to school. Passage of such a bill will not cause a single school shooting.By this logic I demand my second amendment right to carry concealed when I fly, go drinking, sit in front of the judge, visit friends in jail and watch the Seahawks play at home.Flying armed, sitting in front of the judge, visiting friends(?) in jail, are all on duty activities. Please carefully re-read my OP. As far as drinking alcohol I'm guessing pretty much every agency is going to prohibit drinking unless its Donnie Brasco, deep cover type work. I don't know of states that prohibit alcohol consumption while armed granting exemption to LE.Certified LEOs can fly armed while off-dutyIt could be said that because of conjoining department and TSA regs that at this point the LEO isn't 100% off duty.When an LEO is flying to Disneyland with his family, he is considered off duty to me. And in this situation he is flying armed. You can call it what you want. But to me if someone is flying armed and isn't being paid, then he isn't "on duty."What is the purpose for him to carry on a flight? Just personal choice, and can decide to ignore threats? Or does he have a duty to protect?
I may be wrong on this but I believe only federal LEOs can fly armed while off duty. Its tricky enough to fly armed while on duty as an LEO. Requires some paperwork, and clearance from the airline ahead of time. You cannot just show up and flash a badge.
Quote from: bowbuild on January 22, 2015, 03:06:50 PMQuote from: pianoman9701 on January 22, 2015, 01:44:02 PMQuote from: bowbuild on January 22, 2015, 01:33:45 PMVoted NO! They wearing a banner when entering school grounds?? :bash:If they won't allow teachers to carry, then ex-cops not easily identified should not be exempt.So fewer guns is better then. Your reasoning is questionable. Although I agree with you that teachers should be able to carry (as a matter of my personal opinion, I believe everyone should be able to carry in a school), just because they can't doesn't mean we should eliminate others who should be allowed. The more people who are allowed to carry firearms in our schools the greater the chance an active shooter event can be interrupted and/or stopped. I think that retired officers are being considered in this bill because of past experience and that they're the ones likely to get hired into a security position.Really?? So some man/woman is seen carrying a gun on campus, the mere site of the gun sets the wheels in motion of "shooter" on campus and staff respond, with calls to police, and kids panic...so, what is unrealistic about that. We have seen numerous responses recently by police that have no ended well, because of perception.......If I were a officer, I would want easy to understand clear cut rules.....exceptions are problems waiting to happen.I would go so far as to say ONLY UNIFORMED officers are to respond to calls at a school campus, easier to know a real shooter from someone that is not a threat. Would agree with uniformed security with weopons.Yes really. First of all, if the restrictions were dropped, people would know that someone carrying isn't necessarily a bad thing. And, even if they didn't and called it in, there's no harm, no foul. I'd rather have a false alarm called in than no ability at all to repel an active shooter. Presently, there's no ability unless an active duty cop is stationed at the school. Secondly, we're talking about most people still being in their cars or carrying concealed. It's ridiculous I can't have my firearm while I'm waiting in the parking lot to pick-up my daughter. It's ridiculous that teachers can't carry. Hundreds of thousands of people carry everyday around children all over the country and they aren't having accidents or shooting them. A school would be no different. It would certainly be a safer place than one where a madman knows he can kill unopposed.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on January 22, 2015, 01:44:02 PMQuote from: bowbuild on January 22, 2015, 01:33:45 PMVoted NO! They wearing a banner when entering school grounds?? :bash:If they won't allow teachers to carry, then ex-cops not easily identified should not be exempt.So fewer guns is better then. Your reasoning is questionable. Although I agree with you that teachers should be able to carry (as a matter of my personal opinion, I believe everyone should be able to carry in a school), just because they can't doesn't mean we should eliminate others who should be allowed. The more people who are allowed to carry firearms in our schools the greater the chance an active shooter event can be interrupted and/or stopped. I think that retired officers are being considered in this bill because of past experience and that they're the ones likely to get hired into a security position.Really?? So some man/woman is seen carrying a gun on campus, the mere site of the gun sets the wheels in motion of "shooter" on campus and staff respond, with calls to police, and kids panic...so, what is unrealistic about that. We have seen numerous responses recently by police that have no ended well, because of perception.......If I were a officer, I would want easy to understand clear cut rules.....exceptions are problems waiting to happen.I would go so far as to say ONLY UNIFORMED officers are to respond to calls at a school campus, easier to know a real shooter from someone that is not a threat. Would agree with uniformed security with weopons.
Quote from: bowbuild on January 22, 2015, 01:33:45 PMVoted NO! They wearing a banner when entering school grounds?? :bash:If they won't allow teachers to carry, then ex-cops not easily identified should not be exempt.So fewer guns is better then. Your reasoning is questionable. Although I agree with you that teachers should be able to carry (as a matter of my personal opinion, I believe everyone should be able to carry in a school), just because they can't doesn't mean we should eliminate others who should be allowed. The more people who are allowed to carry firearms in our schools the greater the chance an active shooter event can be interrupted and/or stopped. I think that retired officers are being considered in this bill because of past experience and that they're the ones likely to get hired into a security position.
Voted NO! They wearing a banner when entering school grounds?? :bash:If they won't allow teachers to carry, then ex-cops not easily identified should not be exempt.
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