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Re: SB 5817 Changing the Governance of WDFW
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2015, 11:53:30 AM »
With the commission you have a nine member group making decisions rather than one person. I've always thought at least 2 heads are better than 1, nine heads are bound to be better than 1! The commission is organized so that both sides of the state are represented, there are members from eastern and western WA. Also, no two commissioners can be from the same county.

There are liabilities with any system of establishing a commission, I don't think there is a perfect way that could be implemented, everyone has a different perspective of the "perfect" way to establish a commission. At least the current method used has resulted in a variety of commission members!

Eastern WA is currently lacking, two appointments need to be made.
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Re: SB 5817 Changing the Governance of WDFW
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2015, 11:57:33 AM »
Nothing is going to be perfect. I don't think you are going to get a better system then we have now for appointing the Director.
I would like to see a change in the appointment of Commissioners so they would have to be confirmed by the Legislature in a timely manner.
Right now the confirmation process is a joke.
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Re: SB 5817 Changing the Governance of WDFW
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2015, 12:13:46 PM »
With the commission you have a nine member group making decisions rather than one person. I've always thought at least 2 heads are better than 1, nine heads are bound to be better than 1! The commission is organized so that both sides of the state are represented, there are members from eastern and western WA. Also, no two commissioners can be from the same county.

There are liabilities with any system of establishing a commission, I don't think there is a perfect way that could be implemented, everyone has a different perspective of the "perfect" way to establish a commission. At least the current method used has resulted in a variety of commission members!

Eastern WA is currently lacking, two appointments need to be made.
Having the commission under the director is the way it was done from 1987 to '94 correct? I would like to see the 9 person commission split 4 & 4 east/west with the last seat alternated every 6 years. Might not be perfect but one side of the state would never be outnumbered 2 to 1.

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Re: SB 5817 Changing the Governance of WDFW
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2015, 12:22:04 PM »
OK, I will happily take the bait, and argue for the bill.

Question: Do you know who your commission members are?  Do you know who appointed them?  And, by the way, did YOU have a say in their appointment?

I didn't think so.  The commission is one of the best examples of unaccountability that we have in government, either at the state or federal level.  At least with most federal commissions (FTC, FCC, FEC, etc.) statute requires an almost even split between Republicans and Democrats, with the slight majority going to the party of the chief executive.  With the state commission, guess how many members of that commission can be appointed by the governor from a single party?  Well?

Whether you like your current governor or not, I don't care.  But I want my state government to be 100% accountable to the people.  The only way to ensure this is to have a powerful governor, who directly controls ALL state agencies.  You want to be able to hold the feet of state agencies to the fire, and the best way to do this is to appeal (publicly, loudly) to the governor.  Remember Harry Truman's famous desk sign: "The buck stops here."  That is what we want.

There are too many layers of protection for DFW right now.  The director is appointed by a commission that is appointed by the governor.  You sportsmen and women are really powerless and toothless when it comes to directly influencing agency work.

Yes, eliminate this commission, and let the governor take full control and responsibility for all agencies.

I agree completely. The only better scenario would be having the director a publicly elected position.
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Re: SB 5817 Changing the Governance of WDFW
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2015, 12:49:09 PM »
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I agree completely. The only better scenario would be having the director a publicly elected position.

:yike:   You do realize that less than 5% of Washington's citizens are hunters?

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Re: SB 5817 Changing the Governance of WDFW
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2015, 01:39:54 PM »
Ohh yeah, want to muck up the system even more just add political appointments to it. 👎👎👎
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Re: SB 5817 Changing the Governance of WDFW
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2015, 10:41:18 PM »
Nothing is going to be perfect. I don't think you are going to get a better system then we have now for appointing the Director.
I would like to see a change in the appointment of Commissioners so they would have to be confirmed by the Legislature in a timely manner.
Right now the confirmation process is a joke.

 :yeah:  I agree, that would be an improvement.

Appointments should be made quicker by the governor, the eastside has been lacking two commissioners for too long!
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Re: SB 5817 Changing the Governance of WDFW
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2015, 10:46:06 PM »
Nothing is going to be perfect. I don't think you are going to get a better system then we have now for appointing the Director.
I would like to see a change in the appointment of Commissioners so they would have to be confirmed by the Legislature in a timely manner.
Right now the confirmation process is a joke.

 :yeah:  I agree, that would be an improvement.

Appointments should be made quicker by the governor, the eastside has been lacking two commissioners for too long!
:yeah:  :yeah:
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The commission shall attempt to maximize the public recreational game fishing and hunting opportunities of all citizens, including juvenile, disabled, and senior citizens.
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Re: SB 5817 Changing the Governance of WDFW
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2015, 10:59:05 PM »
This bill is dead on arrival.  Senator Pearson won't even give this awful bill a hearing.

Just saw your post, thanks for that info!
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Re: SB 5817 Changing the Governance of WDFW
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2015, 11:00:24 PM »
No way,Nuff said.
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