Bill calls for relocating wolves to Cascades, Western Wash.

[Curly]

There already is enough wolf packs in the zone you live in BH45. You are in the same zone as the Wenatchee and Teanaway packs.

[GBoyd]

The article says that the bios and environmentalist oppose this. Any idea why?

[Curly]

Wolves were killed off in Washington in the early 1900s. But earlier this century, they started to return, migrating from Idaho and British Columbia.

There is that lie again the reporters keep telling it about wolves. I guess they figure it becomes true if they tell it enough.

I know for a fact wolves were in the north cascades in the early 90's since I saw them. I think I read the other day about wolves in the state in the 80's. Maybe the wolf huggers just want to take credit for the wolves and they can't take credit for the earlier ones?

[JimmyHoffa]

The article says that the bios and environmentalist oppose this. Any idea why?

Because they would have the pack numbers to speed up delisting==wolves getting shot.

[GBoyd]

The article says that the bios and environmentalist oppose this. Any idea why?

Because they would have the pack numbers to speed up delisting==wolves getting shot.

Well, I guess that's true.

Even so, I agree with the people above that wolves could be down in the SW much sooner than 7 years from now.

[Curly]

Wouldn't the State open themselves up for lawsuits if they relocate wolves into an area and said wolves end up killing livestock?  I could see where they might be able to wash their hands of it if the wolves naturally migrated there.

Personally, I think the State and the Feds should get sued for allowing wolves to populate like they have, but to me it seems even worse and a better case for someone to make if they were to transplant them and they start wreaking havoc on livestock.  Or what if a person gets killed by a wolf that was transplanted?  I assume all transplanted wolves would have collars.

I can see where bios would rather let the wolves naturally move into a location rather than the bio picking the area to drop them.  More fingers could be pointed at the biologist decision on relocation area if something goes wrong.

[jasnt]

Wolves were killed off in Washington in the early 1900s. But earlier this century, they started to return, migrating from Idaho and British Columbia.

There is that lie again the reporters keep telling it about wolves. I guess they figure it becomes true if they tell it enough.

I know for a fact wolves were in the north cascades in the early 90's since I saw them. I think I read the other day about wolves in the state in the 80's. Maybe the wolf huggers just want to take credit for the wolves and they can't take credit for the earlier ones?

In a pro wolf article in the Seattle Times in 1992, covering an event involving wolf advocates and their hopes for wolf recovery, the story pretty much remains the same as to the existence of wolves in Washington.

Originally planned as part of a recovery program for the northern Rockies, where wolves were brought in, the effort could become unique to Washington because of the apparently burgeoning population.

For example, 100 sightings were reported in 1981, and last year there were 200, ranging as far south as Mount St. Helens, Almak said.

Note: Is it puzzling that an article written in 1992 mentions that “wolves were brought in” to recover wolves in the Northern Rockies?

Again in 1992 a gray wolf was captured and collared in Washington. What was the chatter all about concerning this wolf and others?

Pierce said the animals probably are migrating south from Canada, where wolves still are hunted.

“It appears we’re in the early stages of re-colonization of the former range in Washington,” he said. There’s evidence the animals are breeding as far south as the Glacier Peak Wilderness Area just north of Stevens Pass, Pierce added.

- See more at: http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/#.dpuf


Very interesting points. What ever happened to those wolves?  Why are they talking about wolves brought in in 1992?

[Curly]

Funny........I think it was '92 that I saw wolves by Lake Wentchee.  They even had signs up (I think WDFW had put them up) to warn people of wolves.  Why are the wolves today able to reproduce and spread out from NE Washington but the wolves from the 80's and 90's apparently were unable to take hold?    Makes no sense to me.

[JimmyHoffa]

Funny........I think it was '92 that I saw wolves by Lake Wentchee.  They even had signs up (I think WDFW had put them up) to warn people of wolves.  Why are the wolves today able to reproduce and spread out from NE Washington but the wolves from the 80's and 90's apparently were unable to take hold?    Makes no sense to me.

wasn't that when they closed down coyote hunting in certain areas?

[kodiak 907]

I say bring them on over.  Might help out with the cat problem on the west side as well.

HUH ? I would rather have cougars around rather than some damn wolves  I can appreciate the cougar but I can not stand hearing about all this wolf crap ..Yeah they can bring them over and I will gladly help with the reproduction  Soon as one gets killed they will have a warrant for my house ! Lmao

Now that's funny, but true. Lmao

[2labs]

The attached map shows the wolf zones. 

I marked a red X where they should consider dropping off a pack, but that won't happen so maybe the blue X?    Drop them outside the rez and let them work their way onto it.

There are 15,000 horses trying to survive on the reservation’s 410,000 acres of shrubb-steppe rangeland, 10 times more than experts believe the land can sustain.

This overpopulation puts the horses at risk of starvation, especially in the winter. But a Yakama Nation report shows that overpopulation also destroys the range’s fragile vegetation, spreads weeds, damages wetlands and reduces the land’s ability to support native wildlife.

horse overpopulation article

That's prime squatch country Curly!

[Curly]

The attached map shows the wolf zones. 

I marked a red X where they should consider dropping off a pack, but that won't happen so maybe the blue X?    Drop them outside the rez and let them work their way onto it.

There are 15,000 horses trying to survive on the reservation’s 410,000 acres of shrubb-steppe rangeland, 10 times more than experts believe the land can sustain.

This overpopulation puts the horses at risk of starvation, especially in the winter. But a Yakama Nation report shows that overpopulation also destroys the range’s fragile vegetation, spreads weeds, damages wetlands and reduces the land’s ability to support native wildlife.

horse overpopulation article

That's prime squatch country Curly!

Bigfoot must not eat horses.

Bigfoot probably wouldn't appreciate having wolves to compete with deer or elk.

Hopefully wolves don't get a taste for bighorn sheep. And what about the reintroduction of antelope?  I bet wolves would like some of that action.

The EIS  for wolf introduction is flawed since they failed to mention bigfoot.

[jasnt]

            

[Curly]

            

oops   

 

[Firedogg]

So if they use the thinking that the "wolfies" do about shooting wolves increasing the population in the long run, wouldn't moving some have the same effect??


  I think I hear some more plinking going on in the forest in the future.