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Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« on: February 11, 2015, 12:36:14 PM »
Major win!

Is it April 1st yet?

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In a ruling issued today, a Federal judge has declared that the longstanding ban on gun dealers selling handguns to residents in different states is not only unconstitutional under the Second Amendment, but also violates other fair trade provisions of the United States Constitution. The full decision is available here, but from what I can tell this looks to be a major win for the Citizen’s Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/02/foghorn/breaking-federal-judge-declares-interstate-handgun-transfer-ban-unconstitutional/


For those astute readers out there, you'll note that "the requirement that all sales of handguns to out-of-state residents must go through another FFL (i.e., an FFL in the purchaser’s state of residence)" was the only thing out there that prevented you from going to OR or ID to circumvent I-594's onerous registry requirement.

This appears to be cause for celebration.

Decision link (pdf).

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/guraop021115.pdf

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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2015, 12:46:07 PM »
More from the article, because this news is just so packed full of juicy goodness.
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The Court thus then determined that because the federal law imposed a burden on a constitutional right, and that the burden was not de minimis, the law must be evaluated under a standard of strict scrutiny. Under this standard, the government must show that it had a compelling interest and that the law was “narrowly tailored” – that is, the law was the least restrictive means of addressing the compelling interest.

The Court accepted the government’s argument that its interest in preventing handgun crime was compelling. However, it found that the requirement that all sales of handguns to out-of-state residents must go through another FFL (i.e., an FFL in the purchaser’s state of residence) was not narrowly tailored. The Court noted that FFL’s could sell long guns to out of state residents without involving a second FFL, and that there was no evidence that the involvement of a second FFL in handgun purchases served any particular purpose. The Court also noted FFL’s are required to run a NICS check on all handgun purchasers, that federal law prohibited FFL’s from selling to persons not authorized to purchase handguns under their state or local law, and that nothing prevented states from prosecuting out-of-state FFL’s who illegally sold handguns to their residents. In short, there was nothing achieved by having a second FFL involved that could not also be achieved by simply applying the same laws that apply to interstate sales of long guns.

As a fallback, the Court also analyzed the federal law under intermediate scrutiny, i.e., that the law be “reasonably adapted” to its public safety objectives. The Court found that the federal law failed this test as well, finding that the requirement of having a second FFL involved in the transaction was not substantially related to the government’s stated goals.

The Court also found that the law violated the Due Process clause of the Fifth Amendment, insofar as it discriminated against non-residents, and failed the strict scrutiny test for this as well.

This case will almost certainly be appealed to the US Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, which has historically been friendly to such Second Amendment challenges, and I strongly suspect it may ultimately be destined for review by the Supreme Court.

Plaintiffs are represented by attorney Alan Gura, who has successfully handled many other recent Second Amendment challenges.

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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2015, 01:29:16 PM »
Nice. I often wanted to buy a hand gun in say... Idaho because it was cheaper there, or just happened to be there. Nice find. Lets hope this stands all the rigures!
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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2015, 01:31:58 PM »
Tagging so I can read tonight.  This could be a HUGE deal.   :tup:

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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2015, 01:40:03 PM »
It is a huge deal. This means that I can go to OR and buy a handgun and bring it back to WA myself without an FFL transfer. I wonder how long it'll be before this takes effect?
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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2015, 02:19:16 PM »
What about Alaska?
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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2015, 02:19:50 PM »
What about Alaska?

It is a big state.  Really pretty.

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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2015, 02:25:13 PM »
And, you can kill wolves there...with a handgun that you bought in WA!
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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2015, 02:27:00 PM »
It is a huge deal. This means that I can go to OR and buy a handgun and bring it back to WA myself without an FFL transfer. I wonder how long it'll be before this takes effect?
A buddy of mine from here was down in Oregon just before Christmas and he said that was the case then.  They had advertisements in a sporting goods store that if you were a Washington resident you could buy, pay no sales tax, and no transfer fee.

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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2015, 02:31:29 PM »
It is a huge deal. This means that I can go to OR and buy a handgun and bring it back to WA myself without an FFL transfer. I wonder how long it'll be before this takes effect?
A buddy of mine from here was down in Oregon just before Christmas and he said that was the case then.  They had advertisements in a sporting goods store that if you were a Washington resident you could buy, pay no sales tax, and no transfer fee.

Before this decision, your buddy would have had to have a handgun transferred to a second FFL in state.  Long gun transfers would have not had to be transferred to a second FLL in state.

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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2015, 02:34:03 PM »
 :yeah: They may have been giving a deal on the FFL transfer on their end, but unless it was to one of their stores or an FFL they had an arrangement with, it would've had to have been picked up at a WA FFL subject to his fees.
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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2015, 02:36:58 PM »
The timing was odd, was my point. He said that they were picking up the fee on their end, and he could walk with it. He didn't make the purchase, but he is kicking himself now, due to price and other factors.

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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2015, 02:39:54 PM »
Might be able to get them cheaper in another state but you know as sure as bears schit in the woods the State of WA will make any saving null and void by their tax and very similar to the vehicle appraisal priceing.  Except it will be done through the in state FFL dealer charging WA state tax in addition to the tax you paid in say UT.....So instead of just paying the 6.25% tax in UT you also get to pay the 8.2% as I would here in OK county....
You might be able to purchase a used vehicle for pennies on the dollar but WA is going to make sure to pay their appraised price. Bought a used vehicle for $2000.00 but the State of WA  Licensing said the vehicle was worth 4200.00 so guess what paid tax on the 4200. regardless of what the bill of sale said
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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2015, 02:46:43 PM »
Might be able to get them cheaper in another state but you know as sure as bears schit in the woods the State of WA will make any saving null and void by their tax and very similar to the vehicle appraisal priceing.  Except it will be done through the in state FFL dealer charging WA state tax in addition to the tax you paid in say UT.....So instead of just paying the 6.25% tax in UT you also get to pay the 8.2% as I would here in OK county....
You might be able to purchase a used vehicle for pennies on the dollar but WA is going to make sure to pay their appraised price. Bought a used vehicle for $2000.00 but the State of WA  Licensing said the vehicle was worth 4200.00 so guess what paid tax on the 4200. regardless of what the bill of sale said

The point is that going across state lines - after this decision for BOTH handguns and long guns - you can avoid the WA state DOL/DOR (can't remember which) reporting (the registration scheme), and in OR, you can avoid WA state sales tax. 

There might technically still be a WA excise tax owed, but without mandatory DOL/DOR reporting. But how are they going to enforce an excise tax on something they don't know you are using in WA?

WA usage of out of state vehicle purchase are different, because you are mandated to register and license a vehicle, and that is when/where they enforce the sales/excise tax.

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Re: Interstate Handgun Transfer Ban Declared Unconstitutional
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2015, 03:47:28 PM »
How many 'state line' gun shops are there going to be?

 


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