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Re: Griz in the Cascades
« Reply #60 on: March 10, 2015, 01:30:56 PM »
To coincide with the State law about not importing griz from outside WA  What would keep the State Legislators from Passing another law placing a bounty on any out of state imported Griz?  Of course other than it would take some relatively intelligent legislators with kahonas to tell the feds to FO this is WA.....
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Re: Griz in the Cascades
« Reply #61 on: March 10, 2015, 01:52:45 PM »
To coincide with the State law about not importing griz from outside WA  What would keep the State Legislators from Passing another law placing a bounty on any out of state imported Griz?  Of course other than it would take some relatively intelligent legislators with kahonas to tell the feds to FO this is WA.....

And how would these illegal alien grizzlies be identified for culling? By their Canadian accents? Montana drawl?
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Re: Griz in the Cascades
« Reply #62 on: March 11, 2015, 03:21:32 PM »
Has anyone seen a 99.9% sighting of a grizzly bear?
Yes, a couple

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Re: Griz in the Cascades
« Reply #63 on: March 11, 2015, 04:05:48 PM »
Has anyone seen a 99.9% sighting of a grizzly bear?

Go hike around Molybdenite mountain in the NE corner of the state...then you can join the 100% group.

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Re: Griz in the Cascades
« Reply #64 on: March 11, 2015, 04:32:45 PM »
If you guys are interested in who is doing a lot of research on carnivores in the north cascades and who is funding them checkout http://www.cascadesconnectivity.org/research/grizzly-bear-survey/.
They conducted a hair trap survey over 4 years (08-12) around the major north cascade highways and came up with 0 Grizzly, but since 2010 the have been funded to do a more extensive survey.
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Re: Griz in the Cascades
« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2015, 12:57:57 AM »
Wolfbaits post is in regards to the roads however as an active wilderness trail rider via horseback I can attest to the fact that the trails are probably in the worse shape thy have ever been due to absolutely the most minimal maintenance being done by USFS. Wonder if there is any intended coincidence between the USFS and USFWS.  No that would be a conspiracy theory... Oh my hat must of fallen off

The letter below was in 2001, look where we are today.

Letter to Secretary of Agriculture from Retired Forester

By: Chuck Samuelson

April 6, 2001

Ann Veneman, Secretary of Agriculture
U.S. Department of Agriculture
14th Street & Independence Ave., SW
Washington, D.C. 20250

Secretary Veneman:

SUBJECT: The U.S. Forest Service is dead. The remains have not been buried. A sad commentary to a once proud organization. The agency is a pathetic remnant of what it once was. Politicized to the core and to the Ranger District.

1. The current USFS no longer has the manpower with expertise to manage our National Forests for the practice of forestry or fire fuels reduction and other management. Fire fuels reduction in Montana and the northwest cannot be accomplished with out removing some merchantable timber.

2. The USFS lacks the competent leadership with direction to manage the National Forests according to original laws.

3 The USFS has been directed down the road to convert all the public lands to wilderness. Non-management.

4. The recently enacted forest planning regulations, roadless rules, and transportation planning precludes and stymies active forest management. It virtually closes down the National Forests. Those rules need to be rescinded in entirety.

5. The Endangered Species Act will need to be revised as it is used to supersede original acts, laws, and regulations. It has been used to close down the National Forests and to eliminate private property rights. It is not user friendly.

6. The Forest Service appeals process will have to be amended, and should require a non-refundable bond by appellants.

7. Lawsuits filed by 501 C3 foundation funded environmental organizations should require bonds to be posted. Through court actions such organizations have more power than the U.S. Congress.

8. The USFS does not control the public lands of the National Forests. The Dept. of Interior, USF&WS controls the USFS under the Endangered Species Act, consequently the USFS has lost control of active forest management.

9. At this moment, the USFS is planning to continue to destroy more forest system roads. Billions of dollars of forest system roads have been destroyed and/or abandoned. An absolute detriment to fire and timber management.

10. The few remaining wood processing plants (sawmills) associated with this National Forest will not survive, even with an immediate turnaround of forest management.

The official motto on USFS stationary is "Caring For The Land And Serving People". It can definitely be changed to "Locking Up The Land And Ignoring People" , if drastic action is not taken. This has been the method of operation on our local forest, the Flathead National Forest for the last 10+ years. Our local National Forest lacks leadership and direction that is conducive to good forest stewardship. The main leadership directs specialist to study, prepare environmental analysis and is then followed by no action.

Active management ceased many years ago as timber sales contracts were completed. During that time as sale contracts were finished, the destruction of valuable forest system roads commenced in earnest. Stream culverts were excavated in a manner that would put a private land owner in jail and on the front pages of newspapers. Many roads were physically blocked and abandoned. Now those abandoned roaded areas, under recent rule changes, qualify large previously managed blocks of forested land as "Roadless" or defacto-wilderness. Resources for the communities and the nation are no longer provided.

The communityıs contiguous to the surrounding Flathead National Forest have had their custom and culture vanish. The Countyıs have suffered serious loss of the 25% fund for roads and schools only to be made up by the resident taxpayers. The wood products manufacturing facilities have virtually disappeared. Only private timber supplies the remaining wood processing plants which will not survive for long. The private forested timber lands are being professionally managed. Hundreds of workers forced to find new employment and relocate. The vacuum created by the loss of timber resources has been filled by Canadian imports of softwood.

Portions of national forests in eastern Washington State, north Idaho, and northwest Montana have been suffering epidemic stages of insects and disease for years. Meanwhile the U.S. Forest Service is stymied by paralysis, much by design and planning from within of the previous Administration and the foundation funded socialist green environmental organization who have block every proposed action by appeal. If that fails, by filing lawsuits. As a result, there is absolutely no management of the forests. Only regression to wildlands and defacto wilderness designed by foundation funded C-3 organizations and the previous administration.

The lack of rapid response by the Forest Service to the devastating insect infestations has created the untenable conditions of an excessive accumulation and buildup of fire fuels in the forest that has set the stage for the possibility of catastrophic wildfires as experienced in southwest Montana during the fire season of year 2000. This winters snowpacks of less that 50% throughout much of the northwest is setting the stage for a possible repeat of the fire season 2000.

With the passage and implementation of the Fire and Fuels Reduction Funds the Forest Service will be hard pressed to accomplish the desired results. They do not have the manpower or the expertise. Within the last ten years the ranks of the professional foresters and firefighters has been annihilated due to retirements. Replacements working up through the ranks has been nonexistent. Consequently, the organization has been placed in an untenable position. That fact compromises safety of employees and the public. The Fire and Fuels program will take decades to accomplish and will only be accomplished by private industry being offered products (timber) in return for accomplishing the desired work. If usable wood fiber (timber) is not sold to finance the desired fuels management, the task and goals will not be accomplished. The U.S. Treasury will not be able to afford or finance the goals in any other manner. That fact is plain and simple. It has been done before up until about the late 1980ıs.

If the remnants of the wood products industry can hang on without collapsing and going broke, they are willing and able to help accomplish the fuels reduction program. But time is short as the woods workers and sawmill workers are a fast vanishing breed. They cannot wait a year and maybe even six months for Forest Service specialists to complete the NEPA requirements. The work has to begin this coming summer season on an emergency basis if necessary.

From our observations, there have been many positions within the Forest Service filled by personnel who are not qualified. Even if they are qualified, they are hamstrung by excessive regulation that results in undue time delays and waste of funds to attempt to accomplish any objective. There are virtually no professional foresters left within the Forest Service. Ologists of varied professions have filled or replaced forestry positions. Ologists accomplish nothing by research and planning, they are not doers.

Respectfully:

Chuck Samuelson (USFS - retired)

Public Access Director for MFMU

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Re: Griz in the Cascades
« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2015, 07:29:58 AM »
Has anyone seen a 99.9% sighting of a grizzly bear?
Yes, a couple

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