Interesting Wolf Article......

[jrebel]

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Wolves-thriving-in-Eastern-Washington-297177031.html

[jrebel]

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) - Wolves are thriving in Washington, primarily on the eastern side of the Cascade Range.

That has sparked conflict because much of the support to bolster the wolf population comes from urban and liberal western Washington, but the negative impacts strike eastern Washington. One solution is for wolves to disperse across the state more quickly, wildlife officials said.

"With the densities of wolves in northeastern Washington, we would like to see the Cascades get more wolves and more wolf packs," said Dave Ware, a wolf recovery expert with the state Department of Fish and Wildlife.

Ware believes a few wolves have already moved into the Cascades south of Interstate 90, and even into western Washington, but haven't been conclusively documented yet. Wolves have been spotted by people in Klickitat County, he said.

It remains to be seen how popular the animals will remain if they start showing up on the outskirts of western Washington communities such as Bellingham, Centralia or North Bend.

Past studies in the Great Lakes and Rocky Mountain states show support for wolves declines once people are living among the animals, Ware said.

A statewide survey in 2008, when the state had just one wolfpack, showed 75 percent of Washington residents supported the return of wolves, Ware said. The survey was repeated in 2014 and support had dropped to 64 percent.

"Most of the decline was from areas that had wolves," he said.

Wolves were driven to extinction in Washington in the early 1900s by government-sponsored eradication programs on behalf of the livestock industry. The species began to return from neighboring Idaho and British Columbia in the early 2000s.

Rural residents say their counterparts in cities don't understand the realities of living among apex predators, including the danger to the public and livestock. Advocates counter that the state is the native habitat of wolves, and the animals have a positive impact on areas where elk would otherwise destroy grassland.

Wolves have found excellent habitat in Washington, especially in the Selkirk Mountains in the northeast, where most of the state's wolf packs reside.

Earlier this month, the state Department of Fish and Wildlife released its annual survey of Washington's wolf population.

The survey found that the number of wolves grew by more than 30 percent in 2014, and that four new packs were formed last year. The survey found at least 68 gray wolves living in Washington as of Dec. 31. That was up from a minimum of 52 wolves counted in 2013. The survey also found 16 total wolf packs and at least five successful breeding pairs last year.

Donny Martorello, WDFW carnivore specialist, said the number of packs would have been higher if not for the loss of one last spring.

At least 10 wolves died in 2014. Three were killed by poachers, three died of natural causes, two died of unknown causes, one was hit by a vehicle and a breeding female was shot by a government hunter last summer during an effort by WDFW to stop the Huckleberry Pack from preying on a rancher's sheep.

Attacks on sheep by one pack pushed the number of livestock killed by wolves to a record. Martorello said the Huckleberry Pack accounted for 33 of the 35 sheep killed or injured by wolves and documented by WDFW in 2014.

"Conflicts with livestock are bound to rise as the state's wolf population increases, and we have to do everything we can to manage that situation," said Jim Unsworth, WDFW director.

Livestock attacks have prompted some eastern Washington residents to suggest exporting wolves into the western portion of the state.

State Rep. Joel Kretz, R-Wauconda, who has 12 of Washington's 16 wolf packs in his district, said you don't have to tell his constituents that wolves are recovering.

"While some in western Washington want to protect the wolves at all costs and think they're a good thing, you can have too much of a good thing, and we've definitely had our fair share in northeast Washington," Kretz said.

Under the state's Wolf Conservation and Management Plan, wolves can be removed from the endangered species list once 15 successful breeding pairs are documented for three consecutive years among the three designated wolf-recovery regions.

[bearpaw]

good article, thanks for posting 

[CAMPMEAT]

I've reported in the HW wolf site, 23 actual wolf sightings, since Oct 2014 and heard of 6 more near Orin-Rice while I was wolf gun shopping today. Does the WDFW really give a crap or even look at our sighting reports, NO.


This wolf issue is so onesided and not our sided, because to people who make these laws don't live with the problem. I can bet you a dollar, I seen more proof of wolves here than any biologist from the WDFW. Very irritating and I don't have in skin in the game.

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Thanks for the article. Its a good one!

[CAMPMEAT]

Get on their FB page and comment. I think the hunters got the upper hand in this one.

I'll give it a whirl, thanks.

[jasnt]

on this article.

Get on their FB page and comment. I think the hunters got the upper hand in this one.

I agree. Make all your wolf sightings as public as possible!

[MR5x5]

This is a dude I have to meet.  Freaking genius he is.

"Donny Martorello, WDFW carnivore specialist, said the number of packs would have been higher if not for the loss of one last spring."

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[bearpaw]

I know that WDFW has looked at our wolf sightings page. I don't know how often, but they have looked.

[Bob33]

I believe that WDFW looks at the wolf sighting page. I also believe it would be foolish for them to pull a biologist away to chase down every single sighting. Once there are multiple sightings in an area it would be justifiable, which is why everyone should report sightings.

[WAcoyotehunter]

 

They are doing a WAY BETTER job of wolf monitoring. 

[whacker1]

I impressed that Dave Ware is now suggesting transplanting to speed recovery.  That is a conversation that has not only divided the legislature, but divided many on this site.  It was also interesting to see the statistics on the decline in popularity from 80% to 64% as they have spread into the areas that people inhabit.  It is amazing to me that people didn't have the foresight to see this coming.  But glad to see public opinion falling.

[bearpaw]

I believe that WDFW looks at the wolf sighting page. I also believe it would be foolish for them to pull a biologist away to chase down every single sighting. Once there are multiple sightings in an area it would be justifiable, which is why everyone should report sightings.

You are correct, they are looking for areas with multiple sightings.

They are doing a WAY BETTER job of wolf monitoring. 

   I think WDFW is doing a little better because of public pressure. They have felt the heat of not doing a good job of monitoring.

[bearpaw]

I impressed that Dave Ware is now suggesting transplanting to speed recovery.  That is a conversation that has not only divided the legislature, but divided many on this site.  It was also interesting to see the statistics on the decline in popularity from 80% to 64% as they have spread into the areas that people inhabit.  It is amazing to me that people didn't have the foresight to see this coming.  But glad to see public opinion falling.

  Until people live with wolves they simply do not understand there is more to wolves than watching fluffy wolf pups frolicking with butterflies in the meadows! 

This is an educational curve that happens everywhere that wolves populate. 

A problem I see is that WA needs to realize that wolves will much more easily fit in if they reduce the burgeoning cougar population to make room for the additional predation by wolves. In terms of impact: 1 cougar = 1 wolf. Amount of big game eaten by either is pretty similar. If they want 500 wolves in WA then we need to reduce the cougar population by at least 500 and the wolves will fit in without as much impact.

Current cougar management is so ridiculously non-existent that cougar numbers are at all time highs in many areas and most likely increasing. 

[jasnt]

I impressed that Dave Ware is now suggesting transplanting to speed recovery.  That is a conversation that has not only divided the legislature, but divided many on this site.  It was also interesting to see the statistics on the decline in popularity from 80% to 64% as they have spread into the areas that people inhabit.  It is amazing to me that people didn't have the foresight to see this coming.  But glad to see public opinion falling.

  Until people live with wolves they simply do not understand there is more to wolves than watching fluffy wolf pups frolicking with butterflies in the meadows! 

This is an educational curve that happens everywhere that wolves populate. 

A problem I see is that WA needs to realize that wolves will much more easily fit in if they reduce the burgeoning cougar population to make room for the additional predation by wolves. In terms of impact: 1 cougar = 1 wolf. Amount of big game eaten by either is pretty similar. If they want 500 wolves in WA then we need to reduce the cougar population by at least 500 and the wolves will fit in without as much impact.

Current cougar management is so ridiculously non-existent that cougar numbers are at all time highs in many areas and most likely increasing. 

I couldn't agree more

[Bigshooter]

When did Dave Ware become a "wolf recovery expert"?

[Curly]

When did Dave Ware become a "wolf recovery expert"?

He got moved over to that position within the last 6 months. 

[haus]

I impressed that Dave Ware is now suggesting transplanting to speed recovery.  That is a conversation that has not only divided the legislature, but divided many on this site.  It was also interesting to see the statistics on the decline in popularity from 80% to 64% as they have spread into the areas that people inhabit.  It is amazing to me that people didn't have the foresight to see this coming.  But glad to see public opinion falling.

  Until people live with wolves they simply do not understand there is more to wolves than watching fluffy wolf pups frolicking with butterflies in the meadows! 

This is an educational curve that happens everywhere that wolves populate. 

A problem I see is that WA needs to realize that wolves will much more easily fit in if they reduce the burgeoning cougar population to make room for the additional predation by wolves. In terms of impact: 1 cougar = 1 wolf. Amount of big game eaten by either is pretty similar. If they want 500 wolves in WA then we need to reduce the cougar population by at least 500 and the wolves will fit in without as much impact.

Current cougar management is so ridiculously non-existent that cougar numbers are at all time highs in many areas and most likely increasing.

There was/is a study being for the cougar population around jackson hole, believe its natgeo that has a documentary on it. The study showed wolves in that area either killed or pushed the cats out of the region almost entirely.

[Special T]

Im all for trans planting wolves to the Mount Si (north bend)area Mount Baker Hwy area, and the Capitol Forrest.

The Mental midgets at the WDFW could have foreseen all this if they had looked at other states. The leadership operates from a position of weakness. The wish to pacify hunters so that we keep giving them $ and give in enough to anti hunting groups so that they dont spend too  much on lawsuits.

[JimmyHoffa]

Im all for trans planting wolves to the Mount Si (north bend)area Mount Baker Hwy area, and the Capitol Forrest.

The Mental midgets at the WDFW could have foreseen all this if they had looked at other states. The leadership operates from a position of weakness. The wish to pacify hunters so that we keep giving them $ and give in enough to anti hunting groups so that they dont spend too  much on lawsuits.

I saw an article the other day that Mt Si and I90 trails have become so popular and the parking lots so crowded that the only way to get more people out there is going to be shuttles.  Something like $5 a trip and runs every half hour.  So, gonna be lots of people to bait the woofs.  Especially if taking their golden-labra-poodles or whatever the 'in' dog is now.

[PolarBear]

It is funny that he mentions Centralia in the article since there have been at least 4 wolf sightings within 15 miles of there that I know of.  I found tracks and scat in the Boistfort area in January which is very close to Centralia/Chehalis. 

[haus]

Wonder what the possibilities are for one of the wolves to pick up terminal diseases from coming into contact with domestic dogs. Maybe nature will take care of this whole thing on its own via a little assistance from "fluffy".

[HighCountryHunter88]

I impressed that Dave Ware is now suggesting transplanting to speed recovery.  That is a conversation that has not only divided the legislature, but divided many on this site.  It was also interesting to see the statistics on the decline in popularity from 80% to 64% as they have spread into the areas that people inhabit.  It is amazing to me that people didn't have the foresight to see this coming.  But glad to see public opinion falling.

  Until people live with wolves they simply do not understand there is more to wolves than watching fluffy wolf pups frolicking with butterflies in the meadows! 

This is an educational curve that happens everywhere that wolves populate. 

A problem I see is that WA needs to realize that wolves will much more easily fit in if they reduce the burgeoning cougar population to make room for the additional predation by wolves. In terms of impact: 1 cougar = 1 wolf. Amount of big game eaten by either is pretty similar. If they want 500 wolves in WA then we need to reduce the cougar population by at least 500 and the wolves will fit in without as much impact.

Current cougar management is so ridiculously non-existent that cougar numbers are at all time highs in many areas and most likely increasing.

There was/is a study being for the cougar population around jackson hole, believe its natgeo that has a documentary on it. The study showed wolves in that area either killed or pushed the cats out of the region almost entirely.

i know i couple houndsmen in two other states that have seen this to be true in there area, wolf pack moves in and #s of lions caught plummet by about 90% within about 3 years

[haus]

Ah found it, part of Nat Geo Wild's "Big Cat Week" programming. Specific show is called "American Cougar" and it primarily focuses on the Teton Cougar Project.

[AspenBud]

I impressed that Dave Ware is now suggesting transplanting to speed recovery.  That is a conversation that has not only divided the legislature, but divided many on this site.  It was also interesting to see the statistics on the decline in popularity from 80% to 64% as they have spread into the areas that people inhabit.  It is amazing to me that people didn't have the foresight to see this coming.  But glad to see public opinion falling.

  Until people live with wolves they simply do not understand there is more to wolves than watching fluffy wolf pups frolicking with butterflies in the meadows! 

This is an educational curve that happens everywhere that wolves populate. 
 

The problem is, relative to the population of western Washington, almost no one lives with them. There aren't many people in eastern WA, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming and even there it's a very small subset of those populations that do. Public opinion is falling because of bad press, not actual negative encounters occurring in numbers.

[AspenBud]

Wonder what the possibilities are for one of the wolves to pick up terminal diseases from coming into contact with domestic dogs. Maybe nature will take care of this whole thing on its own via a little assistance from "fluffy".

Again, western Washington is probably more of a death trap for wolves than a haven.

[grundy53]

It is funny that he mentions Centralia in the article since there have been at least 4 wolf sightings within 15 miles of there that I know of.  I found tracks and scat in the Boistfort area in January which is very close to Centralia/Chehalis.

Wow! West of I-5? That's scary. Getting too close to my elk hunting grounds.

[jasnt]

Wonder what the possibilities are for one of the wolves to pick up terminal diseases from coming into contact with domestic dogs. Maybe nature will take care of this whole thing on its own via a little assistance from "fluffy".

Again, western Washington is probably more of a death trap for wolves than a haven.

if coyotes can survive in good numbers in these huge metro city's then how can you think wolves can't survive and thrive in western Washington?  You don't give them much credit.  The way over populated western wa still hold deer, elk, bear, and cougar.  So how could it possibly be a death trap for wolves?

[bearpaw]

Wonder what the possibilities are for one of the wolves to pick up terminal diseases from coming into contact with domestic dogs. Maybe nature will take care of this whole thing on its own via a little assistance from "fluffy".

Again, western Washington is probably more of a death trap for wolves than a haven.

if coyotes can survive in good numbers in these huge metro city's then how can you think wolves can't survive and thrive in western Washington?  You don't give them much credit.  The way over populated western wa still hold deer, elk, bear, and cougar.  So how could it possibly be a death trap for wolves?

Obviously the freeways are going to get some wolves, otherwise I think wolves will quickly multiply on the westside!

[timberfaller]

Government "Expert"

Expert = former drip under pressure.

Was a saying of ole,   still holds truth today!! 

If you've ever been around them or worked around them, YOU know what it means