whats your favorite hunting stabilizer?

[Smossy]

I'm watching this topic with interest because my primary bow has never been as accurate as my backup bow.  I always figured it was something about the bows themselves but I'm beginning to notice that my primary bow is more difficult to hold steady and it may very well be because I don't have a good stabilizer.

Its funny you say that, Im in the same boat. My 2007 Hoyt is surgical compared to my 2014 Bear; being my primary.

[Band]

I'm watching this topic with interest because my primary bow has never been as accurate as my backup bow.  I always figured it was something about the bows themselves but I'm beginning to notice that my primary bow is more difficult to hold steady and it may very well be because I don't have a good stabilizer.

Its funny you say that, Im in the same boat. My 2007 Hoyt is surgical compared to my 2014 Bear; being my primary.

I was wondering whether the amount of let off might have something to do with it. My less accurate bow has quite a bit more let off.  Is that your situation as well, Smossy?

[dscubame]

My favorite is not using one.... I like my bow light and don't shoot any better with one.

[RadSav]

I'm a Sims Modular guy through and through.  Love that stabilizer!  Every bow I own has one set up just for it's personal attributes.  And the best part is I'm supporting some dang good folks right here in the state of Washington

What, makes you love this one over the others B?

First: Quality is outstanding.  I hate spending money for a stabilizer just to have it wobble all over and rattle loose all the time.

Second:  Customizable.  All different configurations, lengths, weights and weight distribution options.  Some bows balance better than others.  Some like long stabilizers with lots of weight, others like less weight and distribution closer to the bow.  Sims Modular let's you pick the best fit for the bow you have.

Third:  Only stabilizer I have ever used that actually reduces felt vibration.  Many claim to, but so many fail to do so.  Plenty of Navcom copies out there.  Most are nothing but decoration.  Navcom is the real deal!

Fourth:  The people!  You aren't going to find more fun and enjoyable people in the industry than the Sims folks.  Good Washington family supporting good Washington families!  What's not to like about that?


I can be rather anal retentive at times.  All the time...if you ask my wife!   To me there is absolutely no way I am shooting a bow without a stabilizer.  Some say they see no difference.  I think those folks must have never used a good stabilizer before.  Maybe they should try a Sims Modular    I'd rather hunt without a sight than shoot without a good stabilizer!

[RadSav]

I'm watching this topic with interest because my primary bow has never been as accurate as my backup bow.  I always figured it was something about the bows themselves but I'm beginning to notice that my primary bow is more difficult to hold steady and it may very well be because I don't have a good stabilizer.

Its funny you say that, Im in the same boat. My 2007 Hoyt is surgical compared to my 2014 Bear; being my primary.

I was wondering whether the amount of let off might have something to do with it. My less accurate bow has quite a bit more let off.  Is that your situation as well, Smossy?

High let-off can create troubles.  However, most of the time tuning, grip shape and brace height are the trouble spots. 

So many folks feel that adding speed and price to a bow equates to better.  That is rarely the case!  You have to sacrifice something for that speed.  And you almost always pay more for that speed.  In some designs the speed comes from a more radical cam - tougher to draw and not as smooth.  These cams are also the most sensitive to tuning issues.  Other bows bring you increased speed by lowering the brace height.  This bow is less steady (especially in a parallel limb model) and it leaves less room for error in contacting clothing.  You basically sacrifice shootability for the extra 5-10 fps. 

There is a reason top target shooters creep tune, shoot high brace heights and bows with a particular type of grip over hot shot record breaking speed bows.  Speed sells bows - Accuracy wins trophies!

[Smossy]

I'm watching this topic with interest because my primary bow has never been as accurate as my backup bow.  I always figured it was something about the bows themselves but I'm beginning to notice that my primary bow is more difficult to hold steady and it may very well be because I don't have a good stabilizer.

Its funny you say that, Im in the same boat. My 2007 Hoyt is surgical compared to my 2014 Bear; being my primary.

I was wondering whether the amount of let off might have something to do with it. My less accurate bow has quite a bit more let off.  Is that your situation as well, Smossy?

I think the letoff on each bow are about the same @75%
I tried to lookup specs and that's what I could find.
Just realised my secondary bow is actually a 2005 Hoyt Ultrasport with Zr100 cams. So its even older then I thought.
Could be what Rads talking about with the fps thing. All bows seem to havr potential to be super accurate but with 50-70fps faster ibo from my bear seems like its creating more problems. I'm still trying to get it honed it and its been a long dreadful road.

[Smossy]

I'm a Sims Modular guy through and through.  Love that stabilizer!  Every bow I own has one set up just for it's personal attributes.  And the best part is I'm supporting some dang good folks right here in the state of Washington

What, makes you love this one over the others B?

First: Quality is outstanding.  I hate spendingn money for a stabilizer just to have it wobble all over and rattle loose all the time.

Second:  Customizable.  All different configurations, lengths, weights and weight distribution options.  Some bows balance better than others.  Some like long stabilizers with lots of weight, others like less weight and distribution closer to the bow.  Sims Modular let's you pick the best fit for the bow you have.

Third:  Only stabilizer I have ever used that actually reduces felt vibration.  Many claim to, but so many fail to do so.  Plenty of Navcom copies out there.  Most are nothing but decoration.  Navcom is the real deal!

Fourth:  The people!  You aren't going to find more fun and enjoyable people in the industry than the Sims folks.  Good Washington family supporting good Washington families!  What's not to like about that?


I can be rather anal retentive at times.  All the time...if you ask my wife!   To me there is absolutely no way I am shooting a bow without a stabilizer.  Some say they see no difference.  I think those folks must have never used a good stabilizer before.  Maybe they should try a Sims Modular    I'd rather hunt without a sight than shoot without a good stabilizer!

Kinda got me sold buddy as always. Your descriptiveness when it comes to products outways the wow factor when it comes to style I guess we can't always go for a sexy bow, or does this modular come in an orange? Hah. Might havr to buy two of these to throw on the bows. I've been using the Trophy Ridge Static 9". I like it but I'm open for improvement. I'd like to have a more forward weighted stabilizer.

[RadSav]

I think the letoff on each bow are about the same @75%
I tried to lookup specs and that's what I could find.
Just realised my secondary bow is actually a 2005 Hoyt Ultrasport with Zr100 cams. So its even older then I thought.
Could be what Rads talking about with the fps thing. All bows seem to havr potential to be super accurate but with 50-70fps faster ibo from my bear seems like its creating more problems. I'm still trying to get it honed it and its been a long dreadful road.

How fast do you think that Bear is!!

IBO specs are 45 fps different.  Also the limbs are ZR-100.  Cam is the original Cam 1/2.  The new Bear cam is more critical in tune.  The old Hoyt is longer and has a slightly higher brace height.  That is bound to have some effect.  Speed itself is more critical to arrow tune even if it's not a 70 fps difference.

Have you measured the two bows draw lengths?  Often times when I struggle with a new bow I find that even though the cam says it is the same draw length the one I struggle with is a little longer than what my old proven bows are.

[RadSav]

I guess we can't always go for a sexy bow, or does this modular come in an orange? Hah.

No, but it does come in Muddy Girl 

[Smossy]

I think the letoff on each bow are about the same @75%
I tried to lookup specs and that's what I could find.
Just realised my secondary bow is actually a 2005 Hoyt Ultrasport with Zr100 cams. So its even older then I thought.
Could be what Rads talking about with the fps thing. All bows seem to havr potential to be super accurate but with 50-70fps faster ibo from my bear seems like its creating more problems. I'm still trying to get it honed it and its been a long dreadful road.

How fast do you think that Bear is!!

IBO specs are 45 fps different.  Also the limbs are ZR-100.  Cam is the original Cam 1/2.  The new Bear cam is more critical in tune.  The old Hoyt is longer and has a slightly higher brace height.  That is bound to have some effect.  Speed itself is more critical to arrow tune even if it's not a 70 fps difference.

Have you measured the two bows draw lengths?  Often times when I struggle with a new bow I find that even though the cam says it is the same draw length the one I struggle with is a little longer than what my old proven bows are.

Lol ibo on bear is 340ish. The hoyt I assumed was 280ish.
You should just come by one day and me n Beck will provide dinner and we can play bows.   No one around me knows anything about bows and I'm almost tired of picki g your brain on here.

[RadSav]

Lol ibo on bear is 340ish. The hoyt I assumed was 280ish.
You should just come by one day and me n Beck will provide dinner and we can play bows.   No one around me knows anything about bows and I'm almost tired of picki g your brain on here.

Your Hoyt Specs incase you wanted them:

Axle to Axle : 35-1/2"
 Brace Height : 7-1/4"
 Mass Weight : 3.9 lbs
 Effective Let Off : n/a  (I think it is closer to 65%)
 IBO Speed : 295 fps

Sure wish we could find the time to get up there and play bows.  We've sure enjoyed the time with you two.  Jeremiah isn't too far away.  Neither is Denton at Rock Creek - Though this time of year I expect he is getting busy!  Did you ever reach out to "Come Get Some"?  Haven't seen him on here in awhile, but that dude knows his stuff (even if he is a brainwashed Hoyt guy ).  Seemed generous with his time too!

[Band]

I'm watching this topic with interest because my primary bow has never been as accurate as my backup bow.  I always figured it was something about the bows themselves but I'm beginning to notice that my primary bow is more difficult to hold steady and it may very well be because I don't have a good stabilizer.

Its funny you say that, Im in the same boat. My 2007 Hoyt is surgical compared to my 2014 Bear; being my primary.

I was wondering whether the amount of let off might have something to do with it. My less accurate bow has quite a bit more let off.  Is that your situation as well, Smossy?

High let-off can create troubles.  However, most of the time tuning, grip shape and brace height are the trouble spots.

Speaking of grip, that's another thing that makes me wonder.  My original (and now backup) bow, a Reflex Excursion has a much larger grip then my primary bow, a Diamond Outlaw.  The Outlaw's grip is much narrower and seems less stable when holding at full draw - it can wave side to side at draw, especially in windy conditions.

[LeviD1]

I'm watching this topic with interest because my primary bow has never been as accurate as my backup bow.  I always figured it was something about the bows themselves but I'm beginning to notice that my primary bow is more difficult to hold steady and it may very well be because I don't have a good stabilizer.

Its funny you say that, Im in the same boat. My 2007 Hoyt is surgical compared to my 2014 Bear; being my primary.

I was wondering whether the amount of let off might have something to do with it. My less accurate bow has quite a bit more let off.  Is that your situation as well, Smossy?

High let-off can create troubles.  However, most of the time tuning, grip shape and brace height are the trouble spots.

Speaking of grip, that's another thing that makes me wonder.  My original (and now backup) bow, a Reflex Excursion has a much larger grip then my primary bow, a Diamond Outlaw.  The Outlaw's grip is much narrower and seems less stable when holding at full draw - it can wave side to side at draw, especially in windy conditions.

You should add some grip tape to make it however wide it feels most comfortable.

[Band]

Sounds like a good idea.  Are we talking about the woven fabric stuff they put on tennis rackets?

[RadSav]

If the grip does not induce torque itself - smaller is better.  I actually think Bowtech/Diamond did a very good job on that grip.  Wish my newer Bear bows had that good of grip.

Reflex Excursion:
Axle to Axle : 34.5″
 Brace Height : 8-3/8”
Mass Weight : 3.0lbs
 Effective Let Off : 75%
 IBO Speed: 295 fps

Diamond Outlaw:
Axle-to-axle length:  32.00"
Brace Height:  7.0"
Mass weight:  3.8 pounds
Let-off:  80%
IBO Speed: 330

1-3/8 brace height and 2.5" in length is not insignificant.  Riser geometry can make a difference too - unless you are an ArcheryTalk expert know-it-all.

When we spend a good amount of time with a certain bow we begin to anticipate the shot.  When things change dramatically from one bow to another sometimes we can be slow to adapt.  With perfect form, release and follow-thru it shouldn't make a difference.  Unfortunately few of us are trophy class shooters.  A good stabilizer can slow our reaction and anticipation down just enough to get us into a new rhythm and make our adaptability quicker.   The Diamond bows I have shot with that riser design seemed to like a reasonable amount of weight positioned out in front of the limb bolts.  Very much like the Bear Truth2 models I shoot so well.