tribal killing of elk

[Bru14]

Anyone see a silver jeep middle to late 90's model... parked eastbound on hwy 12 sunday morning at about 715-730...... came around the corner and what looked like to be a Indian with a rifle shooting up hill oak creek side about a mile before you hit trout lodge.... I came back from skiing and there were 2 blood piles on the side of the road... such crap that they can just hunt wherever the f*ck and not get in trouble, I would have stopped had there not been a couple cars on my ass.... didnt have service to call it in.....

[fishunt247]

I think that is land that is ceded to them in the treaty, so they can hunt there. Atleast I'm pretty sure. All of the Yakima Co. feeding stations are within their ceded land as well, but they have an agreement with the WDFW that they will not hunt there. My understanding anyways.

[heavy hauler]

always a bad deal when ethnicity dictates bag limits and season length.

[270Shooter]

Some of my friends saw that too . They said a guy shot an elk and two kids were trying to pull it through the snow back to the rig!!! . Pisses me off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They can't shoot them in the feed pit from dec. 15 to march 15. I think.

[FrozenWaterfowl]

I get pretty heated when talking about natives and hunting/fishing laws, but I'll keep it together here. Just thought I'd throw a couple quick thoughts in. First of all,to me, it feels like we all are treated like second class citizens to them. Why do they get privilages we don't? And second, they always seem to be breaking hunting and fishing laws. Shouldn't this make our treaties void? It's all a load of crap if you ask me.

[700xcr]

Subject gets me heated. #1. Elk was not in the area when their treaty was signed. #2 Why not hunt them with Bows and Arrows like it was when treaty was signed? #3 Why are they not on horses with their lap skirts like it was when treaty was signed? #4. Fishing the Columbia River why are they not dip netting the salmon when their treaty was sign? If they claim it is in their treaty to hunt and fish then they should be doing the way they did it when treaty was signed.

[skybusterbo]

A friend of mine has seen that same silver jeep the past couple of years up there. He saw them shoot a HUGE buck up on the lookout road last year. I was sitting on my break at work one day(Fredmeyer) and I saw a pickup pull up right in front of the store. They had 3 big bucks and a NICE big bull piled in the back. Almost made me sick to my stomach. The more I thought of it the madder I got. That image is burned into my mind. I have to stop now before I get to worked up again. 

[fishunt247]

I'm not a native, but... i don't know. This is such a touchy issue. I just have a hard time bashing them is all. While it kinda sucks that natives can hunt with way more liberal "seasons" while we have rules that most of us abide by to keep our game herds managed as well as possible, it is their "right" (though I HATE using that word). All that land was ceded to the Yakama tribe as traditional hunting and fishing grounds, allowing them to hunt and fish in places off of the reservation. So it really doesn't matter where the treaty was signed, if it is in their ceded land, they can go for it. 700xcr, I know I'm opening up a can of worms, but its called innovation. We no longer hunt with traditional bows or traditional muzzleloaders or off of horses like we did back in the day. Why can't the natives change with the times as well? And they can't dipnet anymore, we put dams in. That covered the falls and ruined the single greatest salmon fishery in the world. And if we all hunted like natives do, in five years or less WA would be a barren land. Nobody wants that. 

[nwhunter]

THis is always a heated subject and it really isn't a racial issue its mostly about a few bad eggs taking advantage of an unfair situation that somehow can't be resolved by the powers in charge. Fishhunt you are right we also have changed our weapons with modern innovation but with that has come the hunting seasons that we abide by to protect the game from being overhunted by our modern weapons and that is where the natives are taking advantage of modern innovation and their treaty "rights". I don't expect them to ride off the res on their horses and hunt with a spear just like I don't want to hop on my horse and take my old muzzleloader but lets play by the same rules and regs if we are going to hunt with modern weapons. There are bad eggs in all groups no doubt but poachers can be dealt with when caught by the game dept and natives seem to be untouchable and that is very frustrating to most all of us. nwhunter

[NoBark]

Had a couple of  laying around so I thought I'd throw them in here.

Couple of things as I see it.  I think one of the things that really gets me burning on this issue is that in America we are all suppose to be equal. Yet it is very obvious that there is nothing equal in this equation.

Secondly,  in the larger picture, a few tribal harvests is not much of a drop in the bucket. BUT, when it's a few guys killing for themselves and every family member they can claim, all at the same time, (read 10 deer in the back of a pick-up) it just becomes UGLY. 

Someday they will screw up and do something so totally offensive in the publics eye that so much pressure comes to bear on them that they will find the guts to actual
clamp down on the ones doing this..............either that or all hunting will be banned because of it .

Good night, and good luck....

[Big Jim Jr]

My problem with the tribes hunting is this. All the treaties state "In common with" for fishing, hunting etc. "in common with" to the dictionary means "the same as" not fifty percent. So why are they hunting and fishing when the non tribes are not? Second all the treaties say the tribes will not conduct business with any other country except the US. Third, all the tribes are supposed to keep alcohol off their rezs. And then there are other terms. So, let see, all the tribes do business with other countries, have or sell booze and most of the other agreed to terms of the treaties are also broken. Why can't someone take this to court and end the treaties? They are null and void. If you have a treaty or contract with the feds and you broke it, you can bet your butt that someone will take you to court. If I had the money I would do it...

[boneaddict]

WoW!

actually wow to what you just posted.  GOOD thoughts and also to them.  Can't they still get nailed from shooting from the road if its off the rez.  Also, funny thing about this ceded crap.  I don't think elk were native to the yakimas, trying to figure out where they get hunting rights on them

[buck470]

With all the members on this site, there's got to be someone to give " Valid" advise on what can be done to help stop this.

I'd stay to the Members of this site, Reach out, Somebodys got to know some lawyers, Congressmen, etc. who could give some Valid starting points.

Let's not just sit and Bitch, Lets kick some A**!

Anything from following these guy's with a video camera, to signing a Petition, Calling a Congress Person. Someones got to apply the Heat, How many members are on this site? Good starting Point?

[HawkenBob]

Prohibition only exsists on those reservations that are there own Nations. I believe there are only 7 in this state.

The problem with enforcment is its on a state level. The Natives are on a federal level and will get the option to police there own.
Even when the state threatens or tries to screw them out of what they "have had" as part of there allocation, they threaten with a federal suite. and the state backs down cause that costs big bucks.

Anybody ever hear what happened to the whalers out of season and treaty in NB? Exactly...

I've seen it all on the fishing side, now I get to see it here too. Its flat f'in SUKS!

[HawkenBob]

It would take a seriously big and rich organization to overthow this treaty in federal court. And you'd never overthrow it anyway. You might get different allocations and whatnot but it wouldent end.

So there ya go. Some huge organization needs to be started and every friggen hunter would need to join as well as pitch in with funds. I dont know how much funds but even CCA cant take on the fishing side and there 8000 members strong at 25 bucks a member. Coarse thats barely enough to talk to a lawyer seriously about that kind of case.