tribal killing of elk

[Big Jim Jr]

Why does it have to be fishers or hunters? Why not join together? United we stand etc... The treaty is not just one or the other, it is everything.

[nwhunter]

THe whale hunt out of neah bay is the best example of how far the tribes can go and basically get away with, murder , for lack of a better word. Yes they were renegades and what they did supposedly wasn't approved by the tribe but they did it and got a slap on the wrist. The people who love the whales are a big group of enviros and animal rights and they made a big stink about it but then it blew over and you don't even hear about it now. I thought that was the best opportunity for this tribal crap to get some real attention by the media and people who would take a stand but it never happened so I really doubt they will care about deer and elk and fish. We care but I don't theink mainstream America does.nwhunter

[NoBark]

Sounds like we need a lawyer looking to make himself a name and willing to sink his own time and money into it..

[fishunt247]

Bone, great point. I know some Yakamas, and this info is coming from them...take it for what its worth I guess. But they said they can hunt elk because it doesn't state what species are traditionally hunted and fished, but rather in what areas. That is why they said they can hunt or fish for whatever on ceded land because it is a traditional area, no matter the game. I hope that makes sense. Sticky situation, I know. And a little crap too.

[Skyvalhunter]

I guess I best shut my mouth on this one as it gets my blood boiling. It seems that every year they cross what I call the LINE. I am not going to rant about not being fair and krap but that kind of stuff need to end. No one I mean noone should be able to shoot an animal at any or close to any feeding station. I buy my license and apply for years to draw a special permit and the tribals come along and shoots the biggest bull or buck near these feeding stations. Why cant he be required to draw a permit. Hell I wouldn't care if they had their own tribal drawing. You can't tell me that the native americans need to shoot a big buck, bull, etc. because he needs the meat!! Dang I said I wasn't going to rant. Sorry

[fishunt247]

Wasn't the guy was parked up by trout lodge by the sounds of it, farther away from the feeding station than the closed area line that some rifle hunters sit by and wait for elk migrating to oak creek. I don't agree with them shooting antlered animals AT ALL, and think they should be restricted to antlerless animals off of the reservation. 

[popeshawnpaul]

Sorry, I would love to go argue that case but I don't think you are going to change the Boldt decidion...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boldt_Decision

[huntnphool]

Sorry, I would love to go argue that case but I don't think you are going to change the Boldt decidion...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boldt_Decision

Like I said it takes and act of congress to change it, it aint going to happen. Sadly its going to come down to one of these natives being shot or beaten to death by some pissed off person after they kill an animal.

[boneaddict]

Thats what I am afraid of and I am afraid it might be me.  After the altercation in the feeding station last year, what 1 against 7 or so, I promise a couple of them were going to die before I did.  And you want racist remarks, there were alot flying back and forth that day.

[farmin4u_98948]

There is no way to no the numbers but if we could find out...  I bet the numbers of trophy animals poached by non indians would dwarf the numbers from tribal hunting.

[fishunt247]

Feeding station incident? The one where the tribal members killed the bull at the West Valley Feeding station, or was there another one? Just wondering.

[GoPlayOutside]

if the indians were made to hunt cow only or spike only...I bet they would move on somewhere else or not go out at all. 

[700xcr]

Years ago when hunting elk in Lick Creek in Eastern Washington. There was an Indian Game Warden called Stiff Arm. They had to transfer him out of the area. Local hunters posted signs on all roads. Save an elk shoot Indian along with other things. The Indain was shooting at herds during calving season and was leaving the one lay that they could not pick up with their fatbed truck. What a waste in my opinion. That why I get heated up on this subject.

[Big Jim Jr]

This is my fix for the problem. First everyone agrees that the tribes have a right to hunt and fish in traditional areas, methods etc. Second, they are allowed to hunt "in commom with" us. So I would have the state give each tribal member a hunting and fishing license and tags the same as we get except their's are free. The tribes then would have to hunt and fish 'in common" with us. So they would be in the same areas and times we are. They could hunt each season etc. But there would be no slaughter going on. The tribes would agree to have state and federal wardens arrest tribe members who broke the laws, same a us, "in common with". Lastly, the tribes would be given unrestricted gaming on their rezs with a portion going to the state for gambling and substance abuse programs. Now some numbers to help explain my logic. When you break it down, the tribes number about 2 percent of the population of the state I think. So of the 2% how many hunt or gill net? Not that many but they get to harvest 50% of fish and game. The state would not be losing money really on the licenses because most tribal members who buy them here are not washington tribes. Next with everyone fishing and hunting "in common" we now would have longer seasons for fishing and shellfish. The resources would then be able to be divided among commercial and sportsmen (Course that is another can of worms). Our hunting seasons and game could be better managed too (another worm can). Now the tribes would have unrestricted gaming like Vegas. anyone been to Vegas lately? Most of the casinos have the same machines that they have here. So the tribes would make more money to give to their members, therefore allowing the members the ability to buy more and not need to fish or hunt for survival. They would be "in common with" the rest of us. The tribes would still be able to harvest during legal season, that way they are keeping their traditions alive. Now the state would get more money for gambling and abuse programs. This would allow more money from taxes to go for other things in the state. And now with longer seasons and better game management, more people would hunt and fish. Bringing in more money to the state. It is so simple yet so complex.

[rougheye]

Makes too much sense .  They already do whatever the hell they want so why would they want to change .