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VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« on: August 02, 2015, 10:37:35 AM »

VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401

I-1401 is another example of a billionaire buying an initiative.  Remember I-594 (the anti-gun initiative) that was purchased by billionaires.

Check out these articles:

"Paul Allen bankrolls initiative to ban rare-species trafficking"
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/paul-allen-backs-state-ban-on-rare-species-trafficking/

"Seahawks owner Paul Allen, sister settle as bodyguards claim smuggling, bribery"
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Seahawks-owner-Paul-Allen-sister-settle-as-4978500.php
Pay particular attention to the parts about smuggling.
Excerpt from article:
"Deposed under oath, Jody Allen and several former security officers invoked their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination when asked about smuggling ivory out of Africa or penguin skulls out of Antarctica."

One might wonder what was in that settlement.

Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation Summary:
Washington Initiative Measure 1401
http://www.sportsmenslink.org/policies/legislative-alerts/washington-initiative-measure-1401

Initiative Measure No. 1401 Final Text
http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/FinalText_784.pdf




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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2015, 11:59:00 AM »
Just happy pants stupid crap legislation to set precedence that wealthy Oligarchs can write legislation of their choosing. The Libs that put them on heroic pedestals as philanthropists in King Country will vote "YES YES YES" on anything they put forth.

Welcome to a world without rights in the near future. This crap is evil. 594 was only the start.

Is this how the King County will enforce its will on the state? I would say yes.

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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2015, 12:37:25 PM »
 :yeah:x2

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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2015, 09:58:03 PM »
An opposition committee has formed and we will soon have a website legalivoryrightscoalition.org

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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2015, 04:16:35 AM »
We should kick King County out of the state. 

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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2015, 06:54:31 PM »
Vote against anything Paul Allen supports.
Pretty simple
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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2015, 07:18:16 PM »
This made  me mad yesterday   I Went to Seahawks Training Camp and they had the 1401 booth
out front   fortunately not very much action around them.

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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2015, 06:05:48 AM »
We should kick King County out of the state.

Come up with a realistic suggestion and maybe it will get some traction.
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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2015, 11:32:35 PM »
Voting NO of course...
I was looking into this more closely today.  Part of this appends definitions to the hunting chapter in state law, specifically this:

"Covered animal species" means any species of elephant, rhinoceros, tiger, lion, leopard, cheetah, pangolin, marine turtle, shark or ray either: (a) Listed in appendix I or appendix II of the convention on international trade in endangered species of wild flora and fauna; or (b) listed as critically endangered, endangered, or vulnerable on the international union for conservation of nature and natural resources red list of threatened species.

So, I was wondering if this might mean that I get a few wolves in Idaho, make a nice comforter for a friend's king size bed that I might be breaking the law.

So I compared this red list with our state's list of charismatic species... whoops I meant Endangered (mostly extirpated) Species to see how they compare.  Turns out we have a few on the list that are not critically endangered, endangered or vulnerable according to the red list.

It would be great to turn this over to the legislature, do some housekeeping, take a few things off the list.

American white pelican - LEAST CONCERN, INCREASING, not federally listed
Blue whale - ENDANGERED, INCREASING
Brown pelican - LEAST CONCERN, INCREASING
Columbian white-tailed deer - NOT IN LIST
Fin whale - ENDANGERED
Fisher - LEAST CONCERN
Gray Wolf - LEAST CONCERN, STABLE
Grizzly bear - LEAST CONCERN, STABLE
Humpback whale - LEAST CONCERN, INCREASING
Killer whale - DEFICIENT
Leatherback sea turtle - VULNERABLE, DECREASING
Mardon skipper - NOT IN LIST
North Pacific Right whale - ENDANGERED
Northern leopard frog - LEAST CONCERN, DECREASING, not federally listed
Northern spotted owl - NEAR THREATENED, DECREASING
Oregon silverspot butterfly - NOT IN LIST
Oregon spotted frog - VULNERABLE, DECREASING
Pygmy rabbit - LEAST CONCERN
Sandhill crane - LEAST CONCERN, INCREASING, not federally listed
Sea otter - ENDANGERED, DECREASING
Sei whale - ENDANGERED
Snowy plover - THREATENED, DECREASING
Sperm whale - VULNERABLE
Streaked horned lark - NOT IN LIST
Taylor's checkerspot - NOT IN LIST
Tufted puffin - LEAST CONCERN, DECREASING TREND, not federally listed
Upland sandpiper - LEAST CONCERN, INCREASING TREND, not federally listed
Western pond turtle - VULNERABLE, not federally listed
Woodland caribou - STABLE

IUCN Red List
Washington List

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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2015, 09:26:03 AM »
This made  me mad yesterday   I Went to Seahawks Training Camp and they had the 1401 booth
out front   fortunately not very much action around them.

Another reason not to support those losers.
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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2015, 02:48:24 PM »
I am afraid morons will pass this.  Already marked no on my ballot. 
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2015, 02:53:49 PM »
I am 100% in favor of fighting the poaching and wildlife trade.  I don't think this initiative gets that done though.  It's not what we need.

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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2015, 02:57:24 PM »
One of the petition people were at the ferry terminals this summer....I took it from him, read it, for oh...15 minutes and said I wouldn't sign it (of course, the ferry was loading by then too). :IBCOOL: :hello:

I felt better. Voted no, so did the wife.

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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2015, 04:47:13 PM »
What these "intellectuals" fail to comprehend is HAD they taken all the ton's of Ivory that they had confiscated over the years and PUT it on the open market(instead of publicly burning it up), THEY would have succeeded in ending the "poaching" problem.

ONLY reason Ivory and the animals that have it are Poached is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Take that out of the market and it collapses!

But then again YOUR dealing with "intellectuals"!! :o 
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Re: VOTE NO on Billionaire Paul Allen's Initiative 1401
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2015, 03:59:08 PM »
King County is out of control, controlling the rest of the state. It's really disgusting and there is nothing we can do about it.. :bash:
I couldn't care less about what anybody says..............

 


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