selling fish on the side of the river question

[xxlx7]

Can someone please explain how its legal for the indians that net the river, sound, or crab are legally  allowed to sell their catch to the general public? I dont want this to become a indian bash or anything like that, im just curious. If i did that I would be in all sorts of trouble.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

Racism.
Money and lawyers/politicians.
 

[Tbar]

Racism.
Money and lawyers/politicians.

It's up to the individual tribe to set the rules on who the catch is sold to.  All catch is supposed to be reported. This is also very common amongst state commercial fishers.  People trying to maximize profits and make a living. 

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

What I have witnessed is a complete disregard for any regulation.
Under the 1st avenue bridge in Seattle they either sell them, or just dump them.
The knowledge that enforcement of regulations is ineffective allows people to pretty much do whatever they want.
Individual tribes might set rules, but the guy on the side of the river does not care.
There are no consequences.
 

[Wetwoodshunter]

I suggest this thread gets removed.

[heronblu]

 

[HunterStrait]

I suggest this thread gets removed.

Why? Because we're not allowed to talk negatively about these people? Most of the people on here don't care what color their skin is, or what they believe in, we want them to respect and use the wildlife resource fairly.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

What bothers me is that someone gets special treatment based upon race.
We will never have equality until we are all the same in the eyes of the law.
The original agreement was to allow a certain group to have similar rights, not special treatment. 
If it is illegal for one, it should be illegal for all.

[Tbar]

What bothers me is that someone gets special treatment based upon race.
We will never have equality until we are all the same in the eyes of the law.
The original agreement was to allow a certain group to have similar rights, not special treatment. 
If it is illegal for one, it should be illegal for all.

So is it illegal for a state commercial fisherman to sell his catch on the roadside?

[Wetwoodshunter]

Weather you are tribal or non tribal and a commercial fisherman you can sell your catch near the side of a road if the catch is reported on a fish ticket. Lots of fishermen "buy" there own fish and sell them again as they see fit.

There is no difference selling it to a restaurant or to a pedestrian on the side of the road. All fish is recorded, if it's not recorded on a fish ticket then it is an illegal fish regardless of being landed by a tribal fisherman or not.

The boldt decision reserves the right of the tribes to harvest up to 50% of the harvestable surplus and GRANTS non tribal fishers the opportunity to harvest the other 50%. At the signing of the treaties all fishing and hunting rights belonged to the tribes. The courts have upheld this in multiple decisions, boldt, raffide and such.

Tribes are also limited to harvest in specific U&A where they cannot travel to fish. Being non-tribal if you so desire to fish Westport 1 weekend and port Townsend another you can. Both tribes and non-tribal hatcheries release fish in the millions. In fact, where I live a state operated hatchet is subsidized by a tribe to protect there heritage.

Additionally, not every fisherman tribal or non-tribal follow every rule. There are many sport fishermen that keep over there limits or waste fish too. I urge anyone who wants to know more about tribes go to the Northwest Indian Fish Commission website and read up on the member tribes in your areas. Many of them are protecting your resources more than you think.

(This is merely an informative post and does not portray my opinions on anything whatsoever)

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

What bothers me is that someone gets special treatment based upon race.
We will never have equality until we are all the same in the eyes of the law.
The original agreement was to allow a certain group to have similar rights, not special treatment. 
If it is illegal for one, it should be illegal for all.

So is it illegal for a state commercial fisherman to sell his catch on the roadside?

Appropriate license, sure.
I thought the OP meant the guy that would just sell them.

[xxlx7]

Weather you are tribal or non tribal and a commercial fisherman you can sell your catch near the side of a road if the catch is reported on a fish ticket. Lots of fishermen "buy" there own fish and sell them again as they see fit.

There is no difference selling it to a restaurant or to a pedestrian on the side of the road. All fish is recorded, if it's not recorded on a fish ticket then it is an illegal fish regardless of being landed by a tribal fisherman or not.

The boldt decision reserves the right of the tribes to harvest up to 50% of the harvestable surplus and GRANTS non tribal fishers the opportunity to harvest the other 50%. At the signing of the treaties all fishing and hunting rights belonged to the tribes. The courts have upheld this in multiple decisions, boldt, raffide and such.

Tribes are also limited to harvest in specific U&A where they cannot travel to fish. Being non-tribal if you so desire to fish Westport 1 weekend and port Townsend another you can. Both tribes and non-tribal hatcheries release fish in the millions. In fact, where I live a state operated hatchet is subsidized by a tribe to protect there heritage.

Additionally, not every fisherman tribal or non-tribal follow every rule. There are many sport fishermen that keep over there limits or waste fish too. I urge anyone who wants to know more about tribes go to the Northwest Indian Fish Commission website and read up on the member tribes in your areas. Many of them are protecting your resources more than you think.

(This is merely an informative post and does not portray my opinions on anything whatsoever)

thank you very much. And like I said in the beginning, I don't want this to be a bashing thread, I was curious as to them selling them. Thank you for the informative answer!!!

And to those who said this thread should be removed, I am sorry that others express their personal opinions, but that wasn't the meaning of this thread

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

And to those who said this thread should be removed, I am sorry that others express their personal opinions, but that wasn't the meaning of this thread

And I want to apologize, I had just had a bad experience with a guy at a boat launch selling fish, and I was a little sensitive.

[xxlx7]

Does every native that is netting have a commercial license, or do they just net for personal/families? Lets just say your up on the Skagit river and there's a sign that says $15 fresh sockeye, or whatever fish, but doesn't have a commercial license can our game wardens site them like they would a non native selling fish, or would it go to the tribal courts?

And STIKNSTRINGBOW, I don't mind your personal opinion, I just don't want the moderators of the board to remove this because of the tribal versus non tribal. I get your frustration.

[Man Tracker]

Some tribes allow "out of truck" sales and some do not.  On paper, most require the fisher to sell to a licensed dealer, who as the first receiver, is responsible for documenting the catch on a fish receiving ticket.  (Tribal buyers fill out a tribal FRT/state licensed buyers fill out a state FRT.  Tribal FRT go to the NW Indian Fish Commission.  State FRT go to DFW in Olympia.

Rarely are fish sold "out of truck" (by whomever the fisher is) documented on a FRT.  So those fish go into the market without being counted towards anyone's allocation.

Most tribes have good regulations on paper.  Many lack the manpower (or the will) to enforce those regulations.  State Officers can document violations and refer to tribes for prosecution, as the tribes see fit.