Swift's backcountry pack inventory

[SilkOnTheDrySide]

There is a noticeable difference between 140 lbs and 120 lbs when packing.
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Not that much - Two 70 lb trips vs two 60 lb trips.
 

Old man logic there! 😆😆😂


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[sirmissalot]

I caught a little of the ounce counter bug last year after a grueling pack out. I stay in pretty good shape but I still prefer not to pack over 100lb loads, I don't care who you are or which pack you prefer, 100lbs on your back sucks. I'll do more for short trips but generally I'll make a second trip whether it be for gear I have ditched or the last load of meat. Like was already said, the difference of a 40lb pack vs 60lb pack going in isn't all that much, but its the pack out that is the killer. Some people don't kill anything so thats not a worry 

There is certainly a balance of ultralight and comfort and obviously every trip is different. I'll load my pack as light as possible for day trips. 5 or 6 miles I don't mind taking in a few extra luxurys, unless the hike in is 5,000ft of gain or something stupid. 10 miles I'm back to cutting my toothbrush in half, again not because of the pack in, but generally I don't plan on coming out lighter than I came in on those type of hunts.

One of the easiest places to waste extra weight in to me is water. Its awfully heavy and fortunately most the places I hunt its plentiful so I can save several pounds just by fill up my water more often on the way in or out. Lithium batteries help in that they are at least half the weight of alkaline batteries, and last way longer as well. This of course doesn't help when your light gets left on in your pack so either a backup light or spare batteries are still something I carry.

[Stein]

The best way to cut weight is to loose 5 pounds of bodyfat.  Costs next to nothing and you don't have to be a gram weenie with the pack.

[SilkOnTheDrySide]

I caught a little of the ounce counter bug last year after a grueling pack out. I stay in pretty good shape but I still prefer not to pack over 100lb loads, I don't care who you are or which pack you prefer, 100lbs on your back sucks. I'll do more for short trips but generally I'll make a second trip whether it be for gear I have ditched or the last load of meat. Like was already said, the difference of a 40lb pack vs 60lb pack going in isn't all that much, but its the pack out that is the killer. Some people don't kill anything so thats not a worry 

There is certainly a balance of ultralight and comfort and obviously every trip is different. I'll load my pack as light as possible for day trips. 5 or 6 miles I don't mind taking in a few extra luxurys, unless the hike in is 5,000ft of gain or something stupid. 10 miles I'm back to cutting my toothbrush in half, again not because of the pack in, but generally I don't plan on coming out lighter than I came in on those type of hunts.

One of the easiest places to waste extra weight in to me is water. Its awfully heavy and fortunately most the places I hunt its plentiful so I can save several pounds just by fill up my water more often on the way in or out. Lithium batteries help in that they are at least half the weight of alkaline batteries, and last way longer as well. This of course doesn't help when your light gets left on in your pack so either a backup light or spare batteries are still something I carry.

I agree with most of the stuff you said, but I just wanted to clarify that there is a big difference between 40-60 lbs...

But it becomes a more serious issue on the pack out.




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[kentrek]

I caught a little of the ounce counter bug last year after a grueling pack out. I stay in pretty good shape but I still prefer not to pack over 100lb loads, I don't care who you are or which pack you prefer, 100lbs on your back sucks. I'll do more for short trips but generally I'll make a second trip whether it be for gear I have ditched or the last load of meat. Like was already said, the difference of a 40lb pack vs 60lb pack going in isn't all that much, but its the pack out that is the killer. Some people don't kill anything so thats not a worry 

There is certainly a balance of ultralight and comfort and obviously every trip is different. I'll load my pack as light as possible for day trips. 5 or 6 miles I don't mind taking in a few extra luxurys, unless the hike in is 5,000ft of gain or something stupid. 10 miles I'm back to cutting my toothbrush in half, again not because of the pack in, but generally I don't plan on coming out lighter than I came in on those type of hunts.

One of the easiest places to waste extra weight in to me is water. Its awfully heavy and fortunately most the places I hunt its plentiful so I can save several pounds just by fill up my water more often on the way in or out. Lithium batteries help in that they are at least half the weight of alkaline batteries, and last way longer as well. This of course doesn't help when your light gets left on in your pack so either a backup light or spare batteries are still something I carry.

I just wanted to clarify that there is a big difference between 40-60 lbs...

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About a 50% difference !!

I remember one of my first solo spike out trips....i was a 16 years old and had rite at 55 pounds on my back....boy oh boy I was beat before I even started to hunt...i made it exactly 24 hours before I limped back to the truck

[Jonathan_S]

My first backpacking trip was probably an 80 lb pack 

[kentrek]

My first backpacking trip was probably an 80 lb pack 

I had two....back packs !! Just that alone weighs more then majority of my gear now lol even still i had a blast an really that's all that ever matters...nobody ever gets into the backcountry with out carrying alil extra fears with them when they fist start out...just part of the process

Positive attitudes go further then a feather weight pack

 

[sirmissalot]

I caught a little of the ounce counter bug last year after a grueling pack out. I stay in pretty good shape but I still prefer not to pack over 100lb loads, I don't care who you are or which pack you prefer, 100lbs on your back sucks. I'll do more for short trips but generally I'll make a second trip whether it be for gear I have ditched or the last load of meat. Like was already said, the difference of a 40lb pack vs 60lb pack going in isn't all that much, but its the pack out that is the killer. Some people don't kill anything so thats not a worry 

There is certainly a balance of ultralight and comfort and obviously every trip is different. I'll load my pack as light as possible for day trips. 5 or 6 miles I don't mind taking in a few extra luxurys, unless the hike in is 5,000ft of gain or something stupid. 10 miles I'm back to cutting my toothbrush in half, again not because of the pack in, but generally I don't plan on coming out lighter than I came in on those type of hunts.

One of the easiest places to waste extra weight in to me is water. Its awfully heavy and fortunately most the places I hunt its plentiful so I can save several pounds just by fill up my water more often on the way in or out. Lithium batteries help in that they are at least half the weight of alkaline batteries, and last way longer as well. This of course doesn't help when your light gets left on in your pack so either a backup light or spare batteries are still something I carry.

I just wanted to clarify that there is a big difference between 40-60 lbs...

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About a 50% difference !!

I remember one of my first solo spike out trips....i was a 16 years old and had rite at 55 pounds on my back....boy oh boy I was beat before I even started to hunt...i made it exactly 24 hours before I limped back to the truck

I was gonna say the same thing. My first couple attempts at high buck didn't last long. Not so much too much stuff but I packed around a 5 1/2 lb sleeping bag for a long time.

[xXLojackXx]

The best way to cut weight is to loose 5 pounds of bodyfat.  Costs next to nothing and you don't have to be a gram weenie with the pack.

Losing 5lbs of body fat has nothing to do with what's sitting directly on your back....

[Jonathan_S]

The best way to cut weight is to loose 5 pounds of bodyfat.  Costs next to nothing and you don't have to be a gram weenie with the pack.

Losing 5lbs of body fat has nothing to do with what's sitting directly on your back....

Fat is dead weight but  it doesn't cut into my shoulders and hips

[CoryTDF]

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[ctwiggs1]

Backpacking or not, I don't go out without a tourniquet and a Quik Clot.

That quik clot is good but generally worthless if you don't know how and when to use it.  I also carry it but I recommend really looking into how to use, when to use, and general packing tips for application. 

You can make tourniquets obviously, but I agree it doesn't hurt to bring a CAT. 

[Bean Counter]

Generally agree. If you're going to just plop that quick clot on top of a deep puncture wound it won't have the same effectiveness as a plain old dirty rag that one properly packs into the wound. QC is not longer the powdery crap that is poured into a wound, but rather just a gauze that is impregnated with the kaolin hemostatic agent that hastens coagulation.

I would suspect that a pouring of the old concoction is perhaps more effective. Achieving hemostasis on a complete bisection of the femoral artery and vein is pretty impressive. I believe there was concerns about the exothermic reaction generated and resultant burns to tissue as well as the particles becoming airborne and getting into eyes when landing a medivac.

My spastic fingers aren't going to be much good attempting to fashion a pocket knife or flashlight into a windlass on my belt-turned-torniquet when I'm hemorrhaging blood out my femoral artery. I'll add the 5 ounces for a tourniquet any day! 

[ctwiggs1]

Even combat gauze is worthless if you're not packing and securing constant pressure.  I've seen some nasty wound packs that could have resulted in death had the wound been serious enough.  You've got to pack the hell out of that stuff.  I think that's my biggest complaint with quikclot - people overly rely on the technology when the technology still requires technique.

I haven't seen the powder in years.  Seems like it's all gauze and "tea bags" now

Curtis

[swift]

I have a NEW list thanks to all you guys help!  I will try to post soon as I can rewrite it and double check it 😉

Update 8/16
( I'm holding off till I get done spending $$$ for this season 😉 lots of new UL stuff going in and a ton ! Coming out I got the UL bug 😝)

Will update before high hunt