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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2015, 07:07:07 PM »
A felony?  Really?

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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2015, 07:52:47 PM »
What a joke.
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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2015, 08:22:34 PM »
I talked about this problem with WDFW, not this specific incident. They maintain that municipalities and local humane societies have no authority over wildlife. They did not seem to be interested in clarifying that drowning wildlife was legal.
I am thinking this is something that needs to be brought up in the Legislature.

The problem we have in this State is with the ability of municipalities to vest law enforcement powers in local humane societies. I helped get a case like this dropped a year or two ago. We need some protection from overzealous animal lovers though.
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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2015, 08:30:02 PM »
Hope it all gets sorted, that's dumb
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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2015, 06:18:01 PM »
This is nothing new for the Department of Wildlife.  I've been up a the Mill Creek Office when the girls at the front desk tell people on the phone that they have to drown the animal.  The person on the phone always wants to take it somewhere and release it.  The department tell that they cannot take any animal out anywhere and release it.  So the person on the phone always ask what they can or have to do with it and they are told to fill up a garbage can with water and drown it.  If you can't do it they always tell them that they have the option to hire a NWCO and they will that the animal and euthanize it for them.

I think if they tell people to drown it than they should back up their statement and have the Prosecutor  drop the charges.
Will they do that ... :rolleyes:....  :o
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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2015, 09:39:47 PM »
Sounds like we need to have a letter writing party and force wdfw to admit this is protocol. In writing in the trapping regs. Otherwise one of us could be next. We've lost so much already. Next we won't be able to set under water
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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2015, 07:35:19 AM »
Sounds like we need to have a letter writing party and force wdfw to admit this is protocol. In writing in the trapping regs. Otherwise one of us could be next. We've lost so much already. Next we won't be able to set under water

What would help this woman more would be letter-writing to the DA handling this case.  :dunno:
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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2015, 08:18:37 AM »
Here's the email for Phil Morgan, Executive Director of the Auburn Humane Society - info@auburnvalleyhs.org. I wrote this. I would suggest if you write to him to use your own words and be respectful. His whole job is caring for animals. Keep that in mind as you draft your email. Here it is:

Dear Mr. Morgan,

I'm writing to you as a service to give you information you may not previously have had. Until very recently, the WDFW has listed drowning as an appropriate way to euthanize trapped nuisance animals. As you know, it is illegal in WA to release nuisance animals into the wild. She had little choice, as it's illegal to discharge a firearm within Auburn city limits. The alternative of using car exhaust to euthanize an animal, a suggested method by the WDFW, is horrible and takes an animal much longer to die, all the while choking violently.

Priscilla Schmidt had stated that officials had told her previously that drowning was an acceptable method of euthanization.  The KOMO news article quoted you as saying her claims were false. It actually seems quite likely that she'd received just that instruction in the past. It is only within the last couple of years that the WDFW has changed it's website to remove drowning as a viable option.

I get what you do and I respect it. I love animals and I appreciate what the local humane societies do for our communities. Pursuing prosecution against this woman isn't going to serve anyone and may well turn some of the community against your shelter and it's funding. Please respond and let me know that you've asked the City Attorney to drop the investigation and any pending charges. I hope you do what's right here and I await your response.

Thanks for your service to our community. I look forward to your timely reply.
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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2015, 08:26:47 AM »
Sounds like we need to have a letter writing party and force wdfw to admit this is protocol. In writing in the trapping regs. Otherwise one of us could be next. We've lost so much already. Next we won't be able to set under water

What would help this woman more would be letter-writing to the DA handling this case.  :dunno:
great letter pman.  What I was talking about was getting wdfw to put drowning back in the regs and on the web site. Maybe I miss understood but it sounded like she wasn't going to be charged :dunno: I hope not!!!
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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2015, 08:30:48 AM »
It's likely that they removed because of pressure from either local humane societies or from their new best friends at HSUS. I'd find it extremely unlikely that they'd reverse their decision on this. Who do you think we should contact? I'll try it.
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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2015, 10:08:44 AM »
It's likely that they removed because of pressure from either local humane societies or from their new best friends at HSUS. I'd find it extremely unlikely that they'd reverse their decision on this. Who do you think we should contact? I'll try it.
thats what I'm afraid of.  Bruce would know just who to talk to and has prob done so. Humptulips who do we need to bug to put the preasure back the other way?
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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2015, 10:45:05 AM »
Had a co-worker complain about possum killin one time and I sent her this.  Honestly I have not looked to see if anything has changed, but she never mentioned it again.
 
The opossum is unclassified and may be trapped or killed year-round; no permit is necessary. No permit is necessary for the use of live (cage) traps; however, a special trapping permit is required for the use of all traps other than live traps (RCW 77.15.192, 77.15.194; WAC 232-12-142).
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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2015, 11:16:38 AM »
Had a co-worker complain about possum killin one time and I sent her this.  Honestly I have not looked to see if anything has changed, but she never mentioned it again.
 
The opossum is unclassified and may be trapped or killed year-round; no permit is necessary. No permit is necessary for the use of live (cage) traps; however, a special trapping permit is required for the use of all traps other than live traps (RCW 77.15.192, 77.15.194; WAC 232-12-142).

The most widely accepted—but still disputed—guidelines for euthanasia practices follow the standards set by the American Veterinarian Medical Association (AVMA), which include:

An injection of sodium pentobarbital or other pharmaceutical.
Carbon monoxide (CO) or carbon dioxide (CO2) supplied to a chamber from a compressed gas cylinder (small and medium sized animals).
A gun shot to the head (small and medium sized animals. (Check local firearm ordinances).
Stunning, followed by decapitation (amphibians, reptiles, and birds only).
Cervical dislocation by stretching the animal so the neck is hyper-extended to separate the first vertebrae from the skull (birds, rabbits, and small rodents only).
Unfortunately, the majority of the above agents of euthanasia require training and care to administer. In addition, most are not available to, or do not appeal to, the do-it-yourselfer.

Care should always be taken to guarantee that the animal is euthanized humanely. If it cannot, or you do not have the necessary training, an alternative would be to contact your local wildlife damage control company, veterinarian, or animal shelter. They may euthanize the animal for a fee.

While drowning and freezing have long been considered a humane way to deal with problem wildlife, animal experts no longer generally accept these techniques, and they are not considered humane by the AVMA standards.

While shooting an animal may sound extreme, in many cases it is the best available method because of its quickness, and it may cause the least amount of stress and pain to the animal. If shooting is used, the operator and firearm must be capable of producing a quick death. To calm down an active animal, the trap can be covered with a dark towel or other cover.

Depending on the species and size of the animal, a .22 caliber rifle or revolver, or a high-velocity pellet gun should be used. A pellet gun fired to the head is capable of quickly killing tree squirrels, rabbits, and similar-size mammals. Local laws and regulations regarding the discharge of firearms must be followed. See Step 4 below for information on how to handle the dead animal.

Note: In order to properly check an animal for possible rabies, the animal must not be shot in the head; instead, aim for the lung area directly behind the front shoulder.

Human psychological responses to euthanasia of animals need to be considered, with grief at the loss of life as the most common reaction. People who have to euthanize animals, especially under public pressure to save the animals rather than destroy them, can experience extreme distress and anxiety.

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Re: Elderly woman who drowned baby opossum faces charges
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2015, 01:12:23 PM »
Response from Mr. Morgan:

Hi John… thanks for your note regarding the Schmidt Opossum Drowning case.

A couple of points of clarity…the Auburn Valley Humane Society is not the policing authority in Auburn for animal cruelty enforcement or prosecution. We contract with the city to house their lost dogs and cats. I cannot direct the city attorney to drop the case as it is in the hands of the Auburn Police Department. We are also not a wild life agency nor can we accept and treat wildlife from the public. This is a fish and game function. There are several licensed wildlife rehab organizations and trappers we refer people to when they are faced with wild life issues.

I have looked at the transcripts of the news articles and did not see where I said her claims were false…while I did not agree with her actions, fully understanding the severity of the situation,  I in fact  felt sorry for her and empathized with her over her decision. I also acknowledged  her decision as a generational solution from the past. I made it a point, as it is not my place to pass judgement, to end the interview with the hope that the tragic death of this little animal would not be in vain and would be a learning experience for the public.

According to Auburn Animal control, opossums are considered wildlife and not nuisance animals, so letting it go could have been an option… and after all, it and its family did share the neighborhood with Ms. Schmidt.

Bottom line is, she did have options and she decided to intentionally killed the animal in a way that is illegal now even though it was not a few years ago… laws are changed every year by the people we elect to run our society… I remember it was only a few years ago that it was illegal for people of color to sit in the front of the bus… or for two people of the same sex to get married…  laws change because we as a society realize how terrible and unfair they are… we may not like the results of law changes, but it is our responsibility as citizens of society and the keepers of this planet to  know them and follow them… and when we  decide to break them, we must be willing to  pay the consequences for our actions… nuisance animal or not…

Do I feel sorry for her… yes, I am sure it was a hard decision for her to make… do I think her decision was generationally motivated… yes, and  I am sure my father god rest his soul, if he were alive, having grown up on the farm, would have made the same decision…  is this a good educational opportunity for the public... yes, it has sparked debate all over the state… do I think she should be held accountable for her actions… yes, otherwise our integrity as an organization could be brought into question… remember we are here for furry creatures who need our advocacy and protection. 

Those are my thoughts… I welcome yours.


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