Gun Rights Advocates have a devastating new argument against gun control

[bearpaw]

please see this topic....

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,185017.msg2443366/topicseen.html#new

[GrainfedMuley]

But Dale, going back and reading ALL the posts that the members made. Not one censored or banned word was posted. Nor did anybody imply any suggestive posts. It has been a civil discussion of the attitude of some gun owners in this country. Please explain to us where any violations happened. Not trying to be a jerk, I thought we were being adult about the topic.     

[jackelope]

But Dale, going back and reading ALL the posts that the members made. Not one censored or banned word was posted. Nor did anybody imply any suggestive posts. It has been a civil discussion of the attitude of some gun owners in this country. Please explain to us where any violations happened. Not trying to be a jerk, I thought we were being adult about the topic.     

I'm teaching one how to shoot her new handgun this week. She's not the first. How many have you turned by saying F%^$ You? I'm guessing it doesn't work near as well. By listening to people and then offering to take them shooting, I've accomplished quite a bit more than anyone I know who uses the tactics outlined in the article.

[GrainfedMuley]

OK, I missed that. I was speed reading.

[pianoman9701]

Oh, I didn't realize what I wrote was a no-no, since it was in the article the OP had posted and I censored it in advance in my post. I apologize. I wasn't aware that &%^ was bad. 

[Special T]

I mostly feel we have lost the battle. It takes a fiar bit of time to argue with idiots. I have taken family and friends who are non gun oweners shooting and discussed gun owership with them.
The masses will change thier mind when its too late. Just ask all the Europeans now that they have the enemy inside the gates and are relizing how vunerable they are. Gun ow ership is WAY UP! Forget about changing the masses. Educate and plant the seeds of reason with your friends and neighbors.  Those are the ones your going to need when the #2 hits the fan. Dont change the world change your neighrhood!

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[GrainfedMuley]

Oh, I didn't realize what I wrote was a no-no, since it was in the article the OP had posted and I censored it in advance in my post. I apologize. I wasn't aware that &%^ was bad. 

Wait a minute P-man. I totally agree with your statement except about the same thing posted in the original article. The word used in the article really  means something else. It is only used in this context as a slang word. Anyway, it's Dale's site.   

[pianoman9701]

I absolutely understand and I respect Dale and this site very much. I have no problem with any rules he wants and will always try to abide by them. 

[DOUBLELUNG]

This take on the issue can be boiled down to an old proverb:

"Never try to teach a pig to sing.  It wastes your time and annoys the pig."

This pretty much applies to hunters vs. antihunters, gun rights advocates against gun control advocates.  If you want to be constructive, apply your efforts to the third party: the nonhunters who are not antihunters, the gun owners who are not gun rights proponents, the non-gun owners who support the 2nd Amendment.

[Dan-o]

I'm teaching one how to shoot her new handgun this week. She's not the first. How many have you turned by saying "something rude"? I'm guessing it doesn't work near as well. By listening to people and then offering to take them shooting, I've accomplished quite a bit more than anyone I know who uses the tactics outlined in the article.

I agree with PMan.

I'm proud to say that I have successfully turned a couple anti-gun folks into shooters........  and I think I've at least broadened the view of some anti-gun rights types.

[pianoman9701]

This take on the issue can be boiled down to an old proverb:

"Never try to teach a pig to sing.  It wastes your time and annoys the pig."

This pretty much applies to hunters vs. antihunters, gun rights advocates against gun control advocates.  If you want to be constructive, apply your efforts to the third party: the nonhunters who are not antihunters, the gun owners who are not gun rights proponents, the non-gun owners who support the 2nd Amendment.

I agree with you about anti-gun rights people. But, as with anti-hunters and non-hunters, there needs to be a distinction made between the anti-gun crowd and the non-gun crowd.

There are plenty of people out there who don't currently own guns and are not necessarily against them but ignorant to them, like the woman I'm going to work with who just got her first handgun. She's been afraid to own guns all of her life. Her family is wildly liberal and wouldn't ever consider owning guns because they're evil and kill people all by themselves. But she lives in OR and when the Umpqua CC shooting happened, she go really scared and we talked about it again. Some people are really scared and aren't aware of the options available to them. It's easy to ask them this question: Do you question whether or not you'd use a gun you own to murder one or more people? If their answer is "no" (and it usually is), ask them whether, in the case of an active shooter event, they would feel better armed with a firearm they're trained to use or not armed. Then ask them if they'd like to go shooting to see what it's all about. In my case, I can also tell them I'm a certified NRA range safety officer and Hunter Edumacation instructor. That seems to allay any fears about having gun accidents at the range or in the woods. It works and I've made new gun owners out of a few of my friends and neighbors.