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Beginner
« on: November 15, 2015, 04:50:19 PM »
Have questions on questions for you guys since I'm just a high school kid with really no relationships with any trappers. So here it goes!

Where do you sell your fur?

What kind of prices should I expect for Coon,Rats,Bobcat,and Beaver?

When you guys talk about your fur being "not bought" what do you mean and if it doesn't get bought do you get it back?

Do you guys make your own drying and stretching boards or where do you buy them?

When are the best times ( prime time ) for Fur?

What size of trap for bobcat?

What kind of sets do you use for beaver?

And I'm sure I will have more...  :sry: Thanks

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Re: Beginner
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2015, 06:25:22 PM »
What size (Dimensions) stretchers do you use for Coon, Otter, Bobcat, Muskrat, Coyote?

Does it matter the size of your fleshing beam for different animals or can you use the same one for all animals?


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Re: Beginner
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2015, 06:41:08 PM »
I sell my fur to George Brady. He is in Pateros.

Prices for fur change yearly, monthly, weekly and sometimes daily.    :bash:

Fur not being bought is fur sent to the auction houses NAFA and FHA. The fur is offered at Auction and nobody bids on it.
And no you don't get it back, they hold it for the next auction.

I make Beaver hoops, cat and coyote stretchers, coon and otter stretchers, colony traps and beaver/otter swimthroughs.
You can buy equipment thru supply houses.

Prime fur depends on the the animal, they get prime at different times of the year, December, January, and Feb are normally the best times of the year for all animals.

a trap for bobcat should 12x12x36 or larger.

I set a swimthrough in their runs to catch beaver.

ok guys lets hear your other ideas.
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Re: Beginner
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2015, 07:28:30 PM »
What size (Dimensions) stretchers do you use for Coon, Otter, Bobcat, Muskrat, Coyote?

Does it matter the size of your fleshing beam for different animals or can you use the same one for all animals?

You can get the dimensions by going to either www.nafa.com or www.fha.com they are free.
or look at the nafa fur handling recommendations pinned at the top.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2015, 07:56:37 PM by pnwmtnmn »
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Re: Beginner
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2015, 08:10:52 PM »
Yankees,

Welcome to trapping. HW is a great place to learn but nothing beats getting out and learning from hands on experience. I will try to answer some of your questions and give you some resources to take a look at.
 
Where do you sell your fur?
(Although there are a few different options the main two are NAFA “North American Fur Auctions” and FHA “Fur Harvester’s Auction” both of these auction house have receiving agents in State. The receiving agents will post dates, times and locations throughout the state where you can meet them and give them your fur. Your fur is then shipped to the auction house where buyers from all over the world come to bid on your fur.)

What kind of prices should I expect for Coon,Rats,Bobcat,and Beaver?
(No real way to give you an answer on this one. Until the day of the sale everything is speculation. Beaver and coons have very, very poor demand and unless they are perfect in many ways you can count on single digits and/or no sale. Last I heard we will be very lucky to get 5$ averages on rats. Cats will still sell but the prices are expected to be poor again this year. There are a lot of variables to consider with all fur, such as size, clarity, color and how prime the fur is. A general rule is that west side cats grade lower than east side cats but again, overall prices are expected to be poor. What may have been a 200$ cat a few years ago may be a 75$ cat this year.)

When you guys talk about your fur being "not bought" what do you mean and if it doesn't get bought do you get it back?
(When your fur gets to the auction house it is separated by graders into lots. All furs that grade similarly will be put into the same lot. “not bought” just means that buyers did not bid on that lot. You furs will be held over until it sells.)

Do you guys make your own drying and stretching boards or where do you buy them?
(You can buy all of your stretchers from places like F&T supply, Minnesota Trap Line, Snare Shop. There are a few local guys that I THINK sale stretchers as well. I think George Brady and Ted Cantrell both sale trapping supplies and MAY have what you need. Personally I make all of my stretchers except rat stretchers. I buy most of my trapping supplies from F&T. I have attached some links to some resources you will want to read before you start making your own stretchers. Over stretching will thin the density and you will graded down at auction. Having and using the correct stretcher is very important.)

When are the best times ( prime time ) for Fur?
(If you search HW you will find prior threads discussing the times animals prime. It is sometimes a matter of opinion and geography. Prime fur relates to several factors like the density of the underfur. You will hear the term “blue” used to refer to a fur that is not primed. A blue fur is called that because the leather side of the fur will change colors as it progresses towards primeness. As a fur primes the leather side will go from a blueish tint (no prime) to grey and sometimes a smoky white color. The whiter the leather the primer the fur.)

What size of trap for bobcat?
(You will probably get a variety of answers on this one. Most will agree (I think) that it is more important to have the correct height than width. You will probably be surprised at how small a cat trap needs to be. I will let the more experienced cat trappers give you there opinions)

What kind of sets do you use for beaver?
(I am a big fan of swim-throughs for beaver. I exclusively set their runs into feed areas or huts. Some have had great success set dry-lands sets baited and/or castor mound sets. There have been some great topics on this in the past.)

Does it matter the size of your fleshing beam for different animals or can you use the same one for all animals?
(Yes it does matter. Rats won’t fit on a big beam and if you’re using a small beam for larger pelts then you will be fighting the pelt as you flesh it. I have two beams and that seems to be all I have every needed. Fleshing beams are also a matter of personal preference based upon what you are used to using and comfort. I made both of mine. I have one that I patterned from the dimensions of a male mink stretcher and one patterned using the dimensions of a coon stretcher. Make sure you use a good hard wood if you make your own. Use a good soft wood for your stretchers.)

http://www.furharvesters.com/pelthandling.html

http://www.nafa.ca/wild-fur/resources

http://www.fntpost.com/

Trapperman.com is also a great resource for trapping. Start small and work your way into it. Maybe a few rat and some mink the first year. You will learn a lot and the there is less risk of lose when you make mistakes. It is easier to deal with mistakes on a 5$ rat or a 10$ mink than it is to make a mistake on a 75$ cat.
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Re: Beginner
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2015, 08:17:27 PM »
Wow thanks you guys I appreciate it a lot. Good people here on the site very helpful for a newby.

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Re: Beginner
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2015, 10:16:56 AM »
Doug covered most everything. I will chime in on a couple things. WSTA sponsors A fur sale in Athol ID (Beartrap has a post on it) and WSTA holds a get together in March (this year at Elma) where part of the event is fur buyers buying fur. There are not a lot of fur buyers in WA but if you wish to sell locally these are good bets for you.

On the cat traps IMO they should be 18 inches tall. You can catch cats in 15 and even 12 inch tall traps but you are more likely to get refusals. If you are buying traps I would try to get a taller trap rather than a shorter(height) one. The ones I build are 18x10x40. Depending on the door style you can get by with a shorter trap but I would look for at least 36" long. Width is not important.
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Re: Beginner
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2015, 03:15:59 PM »
Can someone make sense of this for me?

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Re: Beginner
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2015, 08:51:28 PM »
Can someone make sense of this for me?
river otter and bobcat have to get a pelt seal from dfw. Also cougar but we can't trap those. Same with lynx if I remember correct. That looks like a page from the PDF trappers ed book which is out dated.  New version is much easier to understand :tup:
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/take_action  It takes 10 seconds and it’s free. To easy to make an excuse not to make your voice heard!!!!!!

The commission shall attempt to maximize the public recreational game fishing and hunting opportunities of all citizens, including juvenile, disabled, and senior citizens.
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.04.012

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Re: Beginner
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2015, 05:56:16 AM »
Where would I find the new version?

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Re: Beginner
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2015, 07:13:07 AM »
George Brady   (509) 923-2326
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/take_action  It takes 10 seconds and it’s free. To easy to make an excuse not to make your voice heard!!!!!!

The commission shall attempt to maximize the public recreational game fishing and hunting opportunities of all citizens, including juvenile, disabled, and senior citizens.
https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.04.012

 


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