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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #90 on: November 22, 2015, 11:44:44 AM »
By agreeing to go along with baiting restrictions, you are essentially setting one foot over the line.......it will be only a short time before wdfw grabs you by the arm and pulls you all the way over the line.  There is no argument to end baiting except that it is agenda driven as a consideration for non/anti hunting constituency of the governor and his wdfw hierarchy .  They no doubt feel if they can stop baiting and save just one life by doing it, well then, its a victory/success story for them.

If they again go with cwd concerns then obviously we must get rid of water tanks and feed bins.  We must prohibit cattle ranchers from allowing deer and elk to feed with their stock, and or yard up in areas near their operations...........yes, this is all ridiculous as is the whole idea of it being related to cwd concerns, and yes, last go round it was one of their pointed concerns. 

WDFW wants baiting gone, they did last year and were very disappointed with the out come and my money says they will get their way this year period.  They have too many people who make the formal recommendations in their corner.   Too many political IOU's floating about.  I fear the out come is predetermined as it so often seems to be.   If you want to spend some effort that may pay off down the road sooner than later, come up with ideas on restricting the governor and changing management policies of wdfw from hierarchy management to regional management by regionally elected local managers........WDFW is the problem, not baiting.

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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #91 on: November 22, 2015, 12:18:20 PM »
I just visited Wisconsin for a few days, and they bait like no tomorrow, and they have give success for hunting. Every gas station/sporting good stores sell bags of bait by the pallet. Good for the economy as well
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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #92 on: November 22, 2015, 01:17:54 PM »
Baiting:

1.  Bring back the ability to bait bear.
2.  Deer and Elk Baiting:  Leave it alone, we don't need more rules / laws.  How does it affect anything???  We are still only allowd to harvest one animal per year.  What is next.....you are not allowed to hunt orchards because the deer are coming to bait, corn fields, alfalfa, wheat, etc. etc. etc.  What is next you can't wear camoflauge because it give the hunter another advantage??  Where does all this insanity end?? 

Preference points:  Not sure what you mean by this?  If you mean the draw system, I would like to see where a person can only draw one "draw" per animal per year.  Keep all the Catagories but if a person draws "quality" they cannot draw "buck" "doe" "second deer", etc.  Start the draw with the quality and go down from there.  This would prevent a person from drawing two tags and only being able to harvest one animal.   :twocents:




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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #93 on: November 22, 2015, 02:30:13 PM »
SpecialT, this is not just driven by non/anti hunting groups, there are many hunters who are against baiting as they say it isn't ethical or fair chase. Some of them are worried that antis will take all baiting away if we don't police it ourselves.

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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #94 on: November 22, 2015, 02:33:46 PM »
Hunters are not the driving force.............hunters are foolish enough to get involved in the division of interest in order to make their decision easier to sell.........its already been made.

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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #95 on: November 22, 2015, 02:36:16 PM »
Yes, hunters are the driving force. Anti-hunters probably think baiting is already illegal.

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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #96 on: November 22, 2015, 02:37:10 PM »
Sorry buckfvr, but I am on the GMAC and hunters are part of the driving force behind this.

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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #97 on: November 22, 2015, 02:43:08 PM »
Sorry buckfvr, but I am on the GMAC and hunters are part of the driving force behind this.


I guess it would not surprise me that they would be judgmental enough of others to be used by the other side considering this is Washington and Inslee was elected governor, Murray is still senator....... and so is Maria
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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #98 on: November 22, 2015, 02:43:35 PM »
Maybe I don't see the problem we are trying to solve?  I saw a few very scant pieces of anecdotal evidence and no studies or science.

If we can't add hunting opportunities (like wolves) without decades of studies, it should also work in the reverse.  Show me a decade of studies clearly outlining the harm and then we'll talk.

By the way, I have baited a grand total of one time with 10 apples and a salt brick.  It didn't work.

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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #99 on: November 22, 2015, 02:46:24 PM »
The 2 biggest concerns seem to be social pressure and a couple of guides using multiple truck loads of bait every year and possibly affecting migration patterns.

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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #100 on: November 22, 2015, 02:47:38 PM »
And do you really think the dept of fish and wolves give 2 craps about what you think!
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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #101 on: November 22, 2015, 02:56:43 PM »
They do when it reinforces their ideas.

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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #102 on: November 22, 2015, 03:02:26 PM »
SpecialT, this is not just driven by non/anti hunting groups, there are many hunters who are against baiting as they say it isn't ethical or fair chase. Some of them are worried that antis will take all baiting away if we don't police it ourselves.

If they dont think ots ethical they dont have to do it.  What next?  People will cry that food plots arent fair chase, then trail cameras, decoys, electronic calls for predators, then scents, mock scrapes etc etc etc. Its a slippery slope
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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #103 on: November 22, 2015, 03:04:06 PM »
The 2 biggest concerns seem to be social pressure and a couple of guides using multiple truck loads of bait every year and possibly affecting migration patterns.

If guides are yhe problem then just restrict guides.  As far as social pressure, deal with it, there is no scientific reason to ban baiting

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Re: Baiting on the chopping block
« Reply #104 on: November 22, 2015, 03:31:07 PM »
I wonder if any of these hunters behind taking away deer baiting think that it was okay to take away bear baiting because some folks didnt think it was ethical and fair chase?  If youve ever bitched about losing bear baiting, but support the loss of deer baiting, you are a hypocrite

 


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