Baiting on the chopping block

[grundy53]

I've seen a bunch of hunts on TV, them deer come running in like bees to honey. If it wasn't easy and didn't work, how do the guides advertise what 99% success ratio. And you guys would fight so hard to save it.

You've got to be joking. I really hope you are not serious. Those hunting shows are absolutely not reality. If you weren't joking then I don't think there is any reason to debate you any more. It would be a lesson in futility and I would probably be looked down upon for taking advantage of a defenseless person.

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[jasnt]

I've seen a bunch of hunts on TV, them deer come running in like bees to honey. If it wasn't easy and didn't work, how do the guides advertise what 99% success ratio. And you guys would fight so hard to save it.

sounds like coyote hunting. You just play some distress sounds and they come charging in lmao. That is not the reality!  I would fight just as hard to keep any hunting opertunety!!! Dosent matter what it is or if I use it.  Your posts crack me up!
Those guides are selling hunts. They have been doing it for years and have learned just how to hunt bait.  If it was as easy as you say why would anyone pay a guide to do it? 

[SeaRun1]

STOP!

It is hunters dogging on hunters that fuels this whole thing.  If you don't use bait then continue to avoid it and stay on your high horse.  Your awesome, we got it.

Let the other guys hunt how they choose which is LEGAL by the way.  Why do some of you guys need to be such phallic symbols?  Hunt how you want to and let others do the same.

These guys "preaching" how they feel about baiting are no different then people preaching about how they want guns removed from society.  It's YOUR opinion about something that is currently legal.

Shut up already. 

SR1

[YJ Guide Service]

Baiting has its place especially when it comes to disabled hunters and kids. Its very important that they are successful and it helps them to be just that in certain cases. I disagree when people say its easy.  Obviously the people who say its easy haven't done it cause its a lot of work and takes a lot of time and money. Just cause you put food out doesn't mean the deer just flock to it like on TV. Thats such BS, If that was the case we would all be at 100% kill rate. I had a disabled hunter hunt over bait and it took him 8 days to finally kill something over it. If it was as easy as you say he would have been done the first am. Its not fair to isolate a group that baiting helps out so much. I agree why is it always hunters trying to take away from other hunters what happened to being united together. We have a big enough battle with anti hunters trying to take away our hunting. Agree or not agree its hunting and its legal. Don't help take things away from us that we will never get back.

[AntlerHound]

    Deer know a feed pile isn't going anywhere... So they will often be nocturnal.. A lot of deer showing up just after sundown and leaving just before sun up.. I hunted 23 days over bait this last season.. (Feed piles established well before season)....Had one young buck come in that I passed... There's a lot more factors that go into it... Try it yourself and see how much of a carnival shoot you have..

[creature522]

Haha his reasoning is selfish! Aren't we all making our arguments for selfish reasons? Especially if we benefit financially from the subject.  Also his article is based on his location and his perceptions and it may not pertain to every state and every situation. Ignorant?


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Nope. I do not believe I'm standing up for baiting for selfish reasons seeing as how I've never hunted over bait. I'm just trying to stand up for my fellow hunter.

I'm standing up for my fellow hunter as well.  The ones who don't want to hunt public land and see bait piles, carpet, tarps, Apple bins, blinds. Some of em are there all year long. If u stumble upon one hunting you are in "their spot". It's public land.  The only argument I get from anyone for baiting is that we are losing our right to hunt. I guess I haven't seen any of that yet. We can use illuminocks and expandables now. So each side thinks they are right. Maybe we are both right and both wrong. 


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[grundy53]

Haha his reasoning is selfish! Aren't we all making our arguments for selfish reasons? Especially if we benefit financially from the subject.  Also his article is based on his location and his perceptions and it may not pertain to every state and every situation. Ignorant?


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Nope. I do not believe I'm standing up for baiting for selfish reasons seeing as how I've never hunted over bait. I'm just trying to stand up for my fellow hunter.

I'm standing up for my fellow hunter as well.  The ones who don't want to hunt public land and see bait piles, carpet, tarps, Apple bins, blinds. Some of em are there all year long. If u stumble upon one hunting you are in "their spot". It's public land.  The only argument I get from anyone for baiting is that we are losing our right to hunt. I guess I haven't seen any of that yet. We can use illuminocks and expandables now. So each side thinks they are right. Maybe we are both right and both wrong. 


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What you are describing is already illegal. It's called littering. We don't need another law.

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[Blacktail Sniper]

Any one can take any legal activity and find a way to do it illegally.

So, it seems the proper response is to punish or restrict everyone?

Sounds like Washington D.C. talking/thinking there....

[lokidog]

I've seen a bunch of hunts on TV, them deer come running in like bees to honey. If it wasn't easy and didn't work, how do the guides advertise what 99% success ratio. And you guys would fight so hard to save it.

You've got to be joking. I really hope you are not serious. Those hunting shows are absolutely not reality. If you weren't joking then I don't think there is any reason to debate you any more. It would be a lesson in futility and I would probably be looked down upon for taking advantage of a defenseless person.

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Unfortunately, he's not kidding.  You know, every time I see them rattle on TV, a big buck comes running in, we'd better ban rattling.....  What an ignorant thing to say!   

[Hunting7mm]

For those of you that are against deer/elk baiting. How do you feel about bear baiting (where legal)or coyote baiting? How bout bait for fishing, or crab pots? Sure there are other ways to hunt bear or coyote, artificial lures or artificial "baits" for fishing and crabing.  How is deer and elk any diffrent?  I just don't understand how or why any one would want to limit our vanishing opertunetys for sportsman!

 

[creature522]

When it gets to a point where something needs done, then yes. It's at the point where I live. Have u not read my other posts?  How did we get bag limits or antler restrictions? People can be trusted. You guys are talking from your point of view where you live and hunt. I'm talking from mine.


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[jasnt]

When it gets to a point where something needs done, then yes. It's at the point where I live. Have u not read my other posts?  How did we get bag limits or antler restrictions? People can be trusted. You guys are talking from your point of view where you live and hunt. I'm talking from mine.


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i understand the dumping of truck loads of bait is causing this fuss. So regulate the area not the whole state. Most people I see don't use a ton of bait at once. Regulate the amount or just the problem area.  It's always a few jerks ruining it for everyone.  Most baiters are not causing any troubles.  I don't have a problem with regulating the amount of bait till the other side is not willing to compromise and wants an out right ban on baiting like was stated. 

[creature522]

Finally thanks jasnt I agree 100%


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[Blacktail Sniper]

When it gets to a point where something needs done, then yes. It's at the point where I live. Have u not read my other posts?  How did we get bag limits or antler restrictions? People can be trusted. You guys are talking from your point of view where you live and hunt. I'm talking from mine.


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i understand the dumping of truck loads of bait is causing this fuss. So regulate the area not the whole state. Most people I see don't use a ton of bait at once. Regulate the amount or just the problem area.  It's always a few jerks ruining it for everyone.  Most baiters are not causing any troubles.  I don't have a problem with regulating the amount of bait till the other side is not willing to compromise and wants an out right ban on baiting like was stated.

 

If you don't exercise some basic common sense and reasonable compromise, then the give & take process becomes just a take, and we never win in that scenario!

[pianoman9701]

I've never seen a baiting site with "truckloads" of bait being dumped. Maybe a box of apples or a couple of salt blocks. Is this a common occurrence?