Baiting on the chopping block

[LabChamp]

as stated I am thinking of all hunters and especially the future of hunting. I could care less about baiting in September its not that effective. I could care less about baiting black tail or white tail its not that effective. I do care about the mule deer herds and the effect baiting  is having on them. If its not black and white in the rules how will it ever be enforced?    Common sense 

Then please by all means show us FACTUAL data supporting your claim in a state that has recently banned baiting so we can all have an accurate model to base our opinions off of. Anything else is just fluffing pillows to make yourself sleep better while taking away hunting privileges from others

Haha yea well its not my job to gather numbers and data from other states. Thats the problem with this state we all depend on numbers and data collected by someone who really has no clue but can crunch numbers. Take a look at the guides websites and the guality of the bucks and tell me they arnt changing things in these areas

Jealous?   

He sure is transparent about wanting big deer but I haven't seen him post about how hard he works to get into his hunting spot, or trail cams he set up, or scouting he did while death marching 5 miles off the road lol

[LabChamp]

Oh and BTW looking at a guides website for factual data is a JOKE. They made that website for one reason and one reason only, TO SELL HUNTS. Why would they post pictures of their small deer? Would that help them sell more 3k to 4k hunts, I think not. Again please start blessing us with some factual knowledge not just a bunch of pillow stuffing to try to make your view relevant against fact

[MtnMuley]

Lab - you want the factual data, info, or other concerns, then you should attend the meetings that are open to the public. There's been some big concerns and the issues were presented. No sense bitching at guys on here. You should be spending your time writing letters to WDFW or attending meetings like I have. It seems quite a few locals here have really noticed some problems and issues concerning our muley herd and we've expressed our concerns to help our herd. Nobody I associate with has supported an outright ban or any statewide baiting restrictions.

[WARHORSE]

as stated I am thinking of all hunters and especially the future of hunting. I could care less about baiting in September its not that effective. I could care less about baiting black tail or white tail its not that effective. I do care about the mule deer herds and the effect baiting  is having on them. If its not black and white in the rules how will it ever be enforced?    Common sense 

Then please by all means show us FACTUAL data supporting your claim in a state that has recently banned baiting so we can all have an accurate model to base our opinions off of. Anything else is just fluffing pillows to make yourself sleep better while taking away hunting privileges from others

Haha yea well its not my job to gather numbers and data from other states. Thats the problem with this state we all depend on numbers and data collected by someone who really has no clue but can crunch numbers. Take a look at the guides websites and the guality of the bucks and tell me they arnt changing things in these areas

Jealous?   

Jealous?? Absolutly not!   But hell you guys are right i dont know anything because i dont spend all my time behind a desk producing miles of paperwork to show the effects of baiting on our deer herds in my local areas. Speaking of which iam done with this. You go sit on your bait piles i will go bust my ass and enjoy the outdoors. 



Gone camping

[bobcat]

Some of you who are getting upset with the WDFW over this ban on baiting, need to realize this is just the WDFW doing their job. We do have plenty of legitimate reasons to complain about the WDFW but this isn't one of them, in my opinion. Do we want them ignoring possible issues that may be negatively affecting wildlife?

Take the hoof rot issue with elk, they received a lot of criticism for not addressing the issue soon enough, well deserved criticism, IMO. Now this baiting issue was brought to their attention (by hunters) and people are griping because they're actually addressing the issue and trying to find a solution? Next week when the fish and wildlife commission makes their decision, you can blame the commissioners if you don't agree with the way they vote.

Also, remember, there are many states where baiting is illegal, I believe it's illegal in more states than not. Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming are a few of those states. And also realize, that a ban on baiting, just like many of the other hunting regulations we have, are not based on science.

I'm hoping they go with the 10 gallon limit, because I do enjoy baiting, even if it's just to get animals in front of my cameras. The 10 gallon limit won't affect me, and it shouldn't affect the majority of the people who hunt deer and elk with the use of bait.

[LabChamp]

Lab - you want the factual data, info, or other concerns, then you should attend the meetings that are open to the public. There's been some big concerns and the issues were presented. No sense bitching at guys on here. You should be spending your time writing letters to WDFW or attending meetings like I have. It seems quite a few locals here have really noticed some problems and issues concerning our muley herd and we've expressed our concerns to help our herd. Nobody I associate with has supported an outright ban or any statewide baiting restrictions.

I'm not a big meeting guy to be honest. My time has been spent well on this issue. I for one, my wife as well, have sent multiple letters, called the WDFW and even spoke in person with Biologists, along with seeing the first hand effects of baiting vs non baiting on the land we hunt. Honestly, since we have started managing our land for better deer habit, we have seen more and better deer every year in the area we are hunting which is open to the late archery hunt as well. During this time we have seen a HUGE explosion of hunters taking interest in the late season archery mule deer hunt and the number increases every year. You can't expect to have more people and less public land and expect better or even the same hunting. Land can only support so many deer per square acre, period. The WDFW has chosen only these select units for us to utilize and for that I'm great full for any at all. We do hunt on private land and we have so many people hunting around our land the deer naturally get pushed into us with or without bait. Our deer management practices over the last few years have helped keep more deer on the property permanently bc of providing more and better deer habitat and food sources. None of this came without lots of hard work by the landowners and years of doing so. I will add that our area has also seen a huge jump in poaching. We have found multiple deer we have on cam with heads cut off in ditches on our property during summer months and after season. I'm sorry but I don't think that's from coasties coming over and popping bucks for euro mounts. I'm also sorry to point this out but I think there is a much bigger problem with locals in our area poaching than the ones trying to point out or notice. I've just noticed this and the increase of trespassing on our property on a much more normal basis than let's say even 10 years back.

[Wacenturion]

I dont think dwfw knows why they do most things how am i supposed to know why they do things.

You're probably more right than wrong.  WDFW has a history of management by influences rather than based on science and management principals.  In fact in many cases there is a lack of management outside of the phoney planning process, which in most cases never gets implemented.

[tonymiller7]

Today's the day!

[predatorpro]

Why don't we just start donating money to anti hunting groups instead...

[tonymiller7]

We do...the WDFW

[et1702]

We do...the WDFW

 

[predatorpro]

We do...the WDFW

good point!

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Looks like they limited baiting to 10 gallons and allowed for the pick up and use of road kill deer and elk.

[Duckslayer89]

We do...the WDFW

  

[huntingfool7]

I dont think dwfw knows why they do most things how am i supposed to know why they do things.

You're probably more right than wrong.  WDFW has a history of management by influences rather than based on science and management principals.  In fact in many cases there is a lack of management outside of the phoney planning process, which in most cases never gets implemented.

  That and they are hard wired to constantly dink with the rules.  Too many paper pushers sitting in too many meetings looking at each other. 

There is no good reason to make rule changes every year.  If they need to do so for job security, their jobs shouldn't be secure.