Do You Realize Now What You Have Done?

[nwwanderer]

The list of legitimate gripes against the transplant is long.  My highlights are illegal importation due to health, stealing of conservation mandated money and not following their own rules on delisting.  Animals I have imported from out of country must meet strict standards, these did not.  The state of Washington, to my knowledge, has not even asked for the money that was stolen from them to transplant wolves in Yellowstone and central Idaho. The original described numbers for delisting were met early in the process and ignored by agencies and judicial review.

[Curly]

I should clarify- I think the USFWS deserves the blame for the wolves, but not the WDFW. They had nothing to do with it and I'm sure they'd prefer not to have to deal with all these wolf issues.

But then it's hard to blame the USFWS as well, because they are simply following the endangered species act. But to that I would argue that if wolves need to be recovered so do bison. And they're not doing that.

The law definitely needs to be changed.

We eliminated wolves 100 years ago and sure didn't need to bring them back.

While I agree that USFWS deserves the blame, I think WDFW can share a little of the blame.  WDFW should have tried to implement state wolf plan that would have allowed less wolves.  The plan they came up with is laughable.  The eastern 1/3 of the state is not federally protected anymore and yet because of the wolf plan, the eastern 1/3 is getting hammered by the wolves.  That is nuts.

[bobcat]

Either way we'd have wolves in this state, wolf plan or no wolf plan. Shoot them on sight or don't shoot them ever. Doesn't matter, it's just like coyotes- you can't kill them all. They only were able to wipe them out 100 years ago using poison, trapping, along with shooting them.

[Curly]

Either way we'd have wolves in this state, wolf plan or no wolf plan. Shoot them on sight or don't shoot them ever. Doesn't matter, it's just like coyotes- you can't kill them all. They only were able to wipe them out 100 years ago using poison, trapping, along with shooting them.

Exactly.  But it would make a lot of ranchers and sportsmen feel better if we were able to legally shoot them.  It wouldn't likely hurt the population anyway, so why not allow hunting of them?  Just because of some whining crybaby wolf huggers? 

[bobcat]

Either way we'd have wolves in this state, wolf plan or no wolf plan. Shoot them on sight or don't shoot them ever. Doesn't matter, it's just like coyotes- you can't kill them all. They only were able to wipe them out 100 years ago using poison, trapping, along with shooting them.

Exactly.  But it would make a lot of ranchers and sportsmen feel better if we were able to legally shoot them.  It wouldn't likely hurt the population anyway, so why not allow hunting of them?  Just because of some whining crybaby wolf huggers?

Eventually they will be able to. Or at least the WDFW will do it. It's only been a few years. Have patience. Wolves are always going to be livestock killers from now on though. People just need to get used to the idea of it.

[thatdamguy]

Either way we'd have wolves in this state, wolf plan or no wolf plan. Shoot them on sight or don't shoot them ever. Doesn't matter, it's just like coyotes- you can't kill them all. They only were able to wipe them out 100 years ago using poison, trapping, along with shooting them.

Exactly.  But it would make a lot of ranchers and sportsmen feel better if we were able to legally shoot them.  It wouldn't likely hurt the population anyway, so why not allow hunting of them?  Just because of some whining crybaby wolf huggers?

Eventually they will be able to. Or at least the WDFW will do it. It's only been a few years. Have patience. Wolves are always going to be livestock killers from now on though. People just need to get used to the idea of it.

In NE Washington the people have run out of patience, especially the farmers and ranchers. 

Attached is a PDF explaining that to the WDFW.

[bobcat]

Either way we'd have wolves in this state, wolf plan or no wolf plan. Shoot them on sight or don't shoot them ever. Doesn't matter, it's just like coyotes- you can't kill them all. They only were able to wipe them out 100 years ago using poison, trapping, along with shooting them.

Exactly.  But it would make a lot of ranchers and sportsmen feel better if we were able to legally shoot them.  It wouldn't likely hurt the population anyway, so why not allow hunting of them?  Just because of some whining crybaby wolf huggers?

Eventually they will be able to. Or at least the WDFW will do it. It's only been a few years. Have patience. Wolves are always going to be livestock killers from now on though. People just need to get used to the idea of it.

In NE Washington the people have run out of patience, especially the farmers and ranchers.

I don't think there's ever been any doubt that people have the right to protect themselves and their property (livestocks/pets) from wolves.

I sure wouldn't be asking for permission to protect myself if my life was in danger.

[M_ray]

This whole thing is so corrupt I cant believe no one is held accountable ... I thought stealing Billions in funds was a crime? 

[M_ray]

Great article.   
Not hard to believe.   I'm seeing it here,   In 5 years, oh heck, three, you can quote me and say, man you were a fool Bone.   I'm currently witnessing the destruction of the methow.    This years abundant success will just drive it in the hole faster.   Sorry, but it's happening here folks.   It's an epidemic. 
I love that even amongst our ranks on here, there are those that call themselves outdoorsman, yet they don't even recognize what is happening.   Keep trusting your department.   

  And I had someone on here tell me that the wolves in WA just ran across the border 

[Mr Mykiss]

 

[JimmyHoffa]

  Plus, aren't the wolves bigger that were released than the wolves that were traditionally here?  I'm not sure who to believe on that issue......I've heard conflicting reports, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was true.

I've heard that.  They could be the same species, but the higher latitude versions are generally larger.  The wolves that were released on the peninsula years ago were called 'buffalo wolves'.  They were a much larger gray wolf from northern Alberta that primarily preyed on bison. 

[Jerky]

If translocated are larger and are not adapted to be here, Bergmann's rule will asure that only the small survive eventually, especially with climate change overlaying everything.  It may take a few generations though.  So riddle me this...if all of the misappropriated funds were reapproriated, any disease issues were eliminated, folks were held accountable for past actions, and lost revenue was paid to ranchers then all of you guys would be good with wolves, even if it meant reduce tag numbers for deer and elk?  I beg to differ and I think many hide behind these issues.  I don't see you guys complaining about spread of CWD, west nile, or bird flu, misappropriation of other funds, and loss of crops from deer/elk and other wildlife in WA.

[nwwanderer]

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/Smileys/default/bash.gif   

Deer, elk, turkeys, geese, wolves, bears and more cost producers more than has every been calculated.  The departments responsibilities for these costs have been largely ignored and producers have been bullied for generations, nothing new here.  Mending those fences will require far more than a $850,000 facilitator.  A department that cooperates with the private landowners that feed and house 'their' wildlife and finds productive, logical, worthwhile, and lasting programs that give these critters value to those landowners has a chance.  A department that pats you on the head in Olympia and threatens you locally does not fill the bill.   

[csaaphill]

Interesting that at least one of the parties named on the suit are also members of the WAG. Who would have thought that a member of the WAG would end up suing the WDFW over killing wolves? Oh that's right, it was I and a few others. The Wildlife Commission has appointed several animal rights groups to the WAG and will spend our hunter and fisher dollars to defend their plans in federal court against groups which have advance warning of those plans from sitting on the advisory group which recommends them. At the very least, this is negligence in the operation of the department. At worst, this is collusion with anti-hunting groups to subvert hunting in our state. If you didn't see this coming, you're blind as a bat.

Anther fact check:
1. The wildlife Commission did not appoint the members to WAG.  They had nothing to do with it.
2. Our "Hunter and Fisher" dollars, or Pittman-Robertson funds, cannot be used by the animal rights groups or     WAG or the Wildlife Commission.
3.  There are 14 other members on the WAG, other than the animal rights groups you mention, so it's not like they are getting information that isn't also known by the other interests represented, namely livestock producers and hunters.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

I clearly read that Robertson Pittman act Dollars were miss  appropriated in the article did I or did I not? And those funds were used for animal rights reasons. Meaning Abbott said use them any way you want. Someone needs to eat a bunch of crow. sorry I know someone will say no, but the money was used to fund new office buildings. Also they were used to pay the court costs of the animal rights activists who filed suit and won so yes it was but even Bush would not go into the fray to hold someone accountable.
Shouldn't say it but what Irritates me is this article even highlighted agenda 21 among other what has been deemed conspiracy theories, which I Get berated for and trying to show people what's going on, but I hang back for a while and someone else posts something similar to what I've been saying all along and no one calls him a conspiracy theorist.
Any rate this stuff makes me mad and the very thing I knew would happen and was happening.
they don't have to outlaw hunting with this kind of stuff just let wolves handle it for them.

[cooltimber]

It's simple,get the wolves-equal the prey, predator balance =biodiversity.per land mass.
    Then you'll have hunting by permit only,or YOU don't need that hunting rifle.