Heroes or Zeros?

[csaaphill]

I must be missing something. Two individuals intentionally set fires on public land. One did it twice. They admitted to setting the fires. Their sentence was, without legal authority, reduced by a lower court. The US Attorneys Office appealed that ruling, and the federally mandated sentence was upheld.

The arson not only destroyed public land, it killed wildlife and put firefighters' lives in danger.

YEP you missed it.

[csaaphill]

guessing form what I'm seeing on here we can guess who's going to be standing in line to give up their guns and wont think of why we have a second amendment to begin with.
happens in every society so not surprised, and why I hold no hope in retaining any kind of semblance of a Bill of rights people aren't' willing to fight for it.
Goes against the very grain our forefathers taught us.
you only keep and retain liberty when you willing to fight for it.

[bobcat]

I do have sympathy for the Hammond family but I also don't believe in all the ridiculous government conspiracy theories.

I don't know all the facts yet but it seems to me that the Hammonds could have easily avoided all this simply by not violating the law.

It does seem like they were charged with the wrong crime and I don't know the reason for that. And it does seem like 5 years in prison is excessive.

But think about this- what if somebody from a big city, say Portland, drove down to Malheur county and started fires on public land- twice? Would you expect that person to be prosecuted?

[Dan-o]

 

That pretty much sums it up.

[JimmyHoffa]

What is the "fight" about, really?  Ranchers thinking they have the right to use public land for free or at a very low cost? And not liking it when they are told no?

the fight is about agenda 21 and the Greenies wanting their land and using what ever means necessary to get it. Its about Government coming in and fencing off the only water hole around, and then not recognizing their water rights that they had in the first place. haven't' you read the links I or others have posted about what's going on?
It's about an overreaching BLM starting their own backfires and then when their own fires got out of hand, blaming this and other family's in the area.
The list goes on and on about what this is all about.
it's about not doing what's right for the land and cattle in the area and allowing juniper trees which I think it is to grow uncontrolled, and take the water in the area which these people use for their cattle. It's bureaucracy, Green politics and the like out of control.

It might sound like tin foil time, but a few governments are pushing to phase out animal sources in diets to combat climate change.  The US government revised daily recommended diet to lower meat and dairy, a small reduction in grains and increases in fruits and veggies.  Farm animals are blamed for a significant production of greenhouse gases (CO2 and CH4).  Some speculation is that wolf proliferation is to reduce cattle and game, and phasing out grazing is to reduce cattle.  The price would rise and people would eat less meat and dairy.  Eventually, however long it takes, the animal contribution to climate change would be negligible.   

[sled]

I wouldn't do it, but atleast they aren't burning down buildings, and looting like the black lives matter group is.

[JLS]

But think about this- what if somebody from a big city, say Portland, drove down to Malheur county and started fires on public land- twice? Would you expect that person to be prosecuted?

Agreed.  How much sympathy would you find on this board if a bunch of Earth Firsters occupied the BLM office in Burns, and were armed when the took possession?  And then threatened to use force in defense of themselves if anyone tried to forcibly remove them?

This really is two completely separate issues.  The Hammonds' sentencing is completely independent of the moronic Bundy clan who is choosing to use this as a stage for their antics.  I'll laugh when Ammon is a convicted felon doing time in a federal prison and can no longer carry a gun. 

[Curly]

I'll have to agree with the zero sentiment. 

[JimmyHoffa]

But what if the person from Portland that started fires did so from say a campfire out of control or a stove or a hot catalytic converter or maybe a firework?  Definitely some accountability, but prison? 

[wsmnut]

Zeros

[bobcat]

But what if the person from Portland that started fires did so from say a campfire out of control or a stove or a hot catalytic converter or maybe a firework?  Definitely some accountability, but prison?

Twice?

[JLS]

But what if the person from Portland that started fires did so from say a campfire out of control or a stove or a hot catalytic converter or maybe a firework?  Definitely some accountability, but prison?

Big difference between intentionally starting a fire and negligently starting a fire.

[Curly]

They could have taken a plea deal but chose not to.

[Curly]

5 yrs is excessive. That is the mandatory minimum though.....................

[JimmyHoffa]

But what if the person from Portland that started fires did so from say a campfire out of control or a stove or a hot catalytic converter or maybe a firework?  Definitely some accountability, but prison?

Big difference between intentionally starting a fire and negligently starting a fire.

Didn't they intentionally start on their own private property and it got out of control for the first, and have verbal BLM permission to start the second (the back burn) before it was out of hand?