Heroes or Zeros?

[winslow]

Well, Hunt-WA, what do you think about all this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/03/armed-militia-bundy-brothers-take-over-federal-building-in-rural-oregon/

[Eli346]

From what I've read the Hammonds want to go peacefully and fight it further on their own terms. I don't think this demonstration will help their cause and may even have people (non-ranchers and outdoors activists) look at this and compare it to the Black Lives Matter movement. I really don't think it's gone that far but it wouldn't be a far reach by several.

[JimmyHoffa]

Talk about some media sensationalism.  A group of people protesting that are within their rights (freedom of assembly, right to keep/bear arms, freedom of speech) and the article tries to lead off making you think a bloody battle was just fought.  Far as I know, nobody has been hurt or threatened--I guess the weak will claim that scary looking guys with guns are threatening though. 

[csaaphill]

As I stated elsewhere hero's.
This goes further than what's being reported, especially by liberal biased media. it's got agenda 21 written all over it and we stand by and 0 these people because of politics then shame on us.

[DOUBLELUNG]

These people are zeroes in every sense.

[Special T]

I think they are misguided. I understand and agree with most of thier concerns. Im not really sure this is a winning strategy. IMO they need a better thought out plan.

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[csaaphill]

These people are zeroes in every sense.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They're doing the right thing and it's a fight that's been waiting to happen for a long time.
Funny how people will say we need to fight back but when people actually do they nit pick how they do it.
This would fill the bill of what our forefathers had said in the in the second a amendment.

[bobcat]

What is the "fight" about, really?  Ranchers thinking they have the right to use public land for free or at a very low cost? And not liking it when they are told no?

[h20hunter]

Zero

Domestic Terrorists and should be treated accordingly.

[Tom Reichner]

There is already a thread on this topic.  I wrote my views, and reason for them, in that thread.  I will re-post my thoughts here:

There has been so much said about the back story that the "front story" has taken a back seat.  Yet the actual invasion and takeover of the wildlife refuge is a serious crime.  And it is far from a victim-less crime. 

The Malheur Wildlife Refuge is now closed to the public.  The public is being deprived of a wonderful area that they should be able to enjoy.  Birdwatchers cannot cruise the refuge roads in search of species.  Photographers cannot hunt for opportunities with deer, rabbits, or winter birds.  Volunteers cannot enter the refuge to continue work on their ongoing projects.  Schoolteachers cannot take their pupils to the refuge for field trips. Those militia folks have stolen a valuable resource from the public!  This is a travesty, yet for some bizarre reason it does not seem to be at the forefront of the news on this story. 

Not only is the refuge currently being held hostage from the public, but the occupation could have lasting disastrous effects on recreational opportunities, educational opportunities, and ongoing scientific research projects.  If the offenders shoot at or harass any deer, then the mule deer population will develop a greater fear of man, which would severely affect the opportunities that future visitors will have to both view and photograph the deer.  The same can be said for the population of Cottontail Rabbits that live on the grounds around the Visitor Center and associated outbuildings.  Knowing the type of people that many of these militia are likely to be, can we really guarantee that they will not do any hunting during their occupation? I seriously doubt that.  They are armed and they have shown that they do not obey the law, so how can we know for sure that they will not hunt for (poach) or kill and wild game? 

My hope is that these people are removed as soon as possible.  The need for expediency is paramount, because every day that these people are there is one more day that the refuge is closed to the public to whom it belongs.  It is really unacceptable that the public lose ANY man-days of birdwatching, photography, or any other kind of lawful recreation that they enjoy on these lands.

I also hope that extremely thorough investigations are conducted, and that the militia people are fully prosecuted for EVERY SINGLE CRIME, both large and small, that they have committed while in the refuge.

[JLS]

These fools that think the Federal Government cannot own land, and that it belongs to Harney County should go back and study their US civics lessons.  When these western territories sought statehood, one of the provisions was that undistributed lands would be retained by the feds.  States were typically granted two sections per township to be retained as state School Trust lands.

If they don't like it, go through the proper channels to get it changed.  I don't think Oregon Territory was held at gunpoint and told to become a state or else.  There were many very tangible benefits for the territories to be granted statehood.

[jamesfromseattle]

There is already a thread on this topic.  I wrote my views, and reason for them, in that thread.  I will re-post my thoughts here:

There has been so much said about the back story that the "front story" has taken a back seat.  Yet the actual invasion and takeover of the wildlife refuge is a serious crime.  And it is far from a victim-less crime. 

The Malheur Wildlife Refuge is now closed to the public.  The public is being deprived of a wonderful area that they should be able to enjoy.  Birdwatchers cannot cruise the refuge roads in search of species.  Photographers cannot hunt for opportunities with deer, rabbits, or winter birds.  Volunteers cannot enter the refuge to continue work on their ongoing projects.  Schoolteachers cannot take their pupils to the refuge for field trips. Those militia folks have stolen a valuable resource from the public!  This is a travesty, yet for some bizarre reason it does not seem to be at the forefront of the news on this story. 

Not only is the refuge currently being held hostage from the public, but the occupation could have lasting disastrous effects on recreational opportunities, educational opportunities, and ongoing scientific research projects.  If the offenders shoot at or harass any deer, then the mule deer population will develop a greater fear of man, which would severely affect the opportunities that future visitors will have to both view and photograph the deer.  The same can be said for the population of Cottontail Rabbits that live on the grounds around the Visitor Center and associated outbuildings.  Knowing the type of people that many of these militia are likely to be, can we really guarantee that they will not do any hunting during their occupation? I seriously doubt that.  They are armed and they have shown that they do not obey the law, so how can we know for sure that they will not hunt for (poach) or kill and wild game? 

My hope is that these people are removed as soon as possible.  The need for expediency is paramount, because every day that these people are there is one more day that the refuge is closed to the public to whom it belongs.  It is really unacceptable that the public lose ANY man-days of birdwatching, photography, or any other kind of lawful recreation that they enjoy on these lands.

I also hope that extremely thorough investigations are conducted, and that the militia people are fully prosecuted for EVERY SINGLE CRIME, both large and small, that they have committed while in the refuge.

Using the threat of violence to take over publicly owned land...treason may be a good place to start.

[Bob33]

I must be missing something. Two individuals intentionally set fires on public land. One did it twice. They admitted to setting the fires. Their sentence was, without legal authority, reduced by a lower court. The US Attorneys Office appealed that ruling, and the federally mandated sentence was upheld.

The arson not only destroyed public land, it killed wildlife and put firefighters' lives in danger.

[bobcat]

I forgot to answer the question. Sorry.

Zeros.

[csaaphill]

What is the "fight" about, really?  Ranchers thinking they have the right to use public land for free or at a very low cost? And not liking it when they are told no?

the fight is about agenda 21 and the Greenies wanting their land and using what ever means necessary to get it. Its about Government coming in and fencing off the only water hole around, and then not recognizing their water rights that they had in the first place. haven't' you read the links I or others have posted about what's going on?
It's about an overreaching BLM starting their own backfires and then when their own fires got out of hand, blaming this and other family's in the area.
The list goes on and on about what this is all about.
it's about not doing what's right for the land and cattle in the area and allowing juniper trees which I think it is to grow uncontrolled, and take the water in the area which these people use for their cattle. It's bureaucracy, Green politics and the like out of control.