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My only hesitation would be how good of a cheek weld you can get with a 56mm objective on a kicker. Unless of course it has an adjustable comb stock. Then it becomes moot.
The Nightforce stuff is pretty awesome. Don't look at it unless you are seriously considering it though, otherwise it might haunt you.
Quote from: Jonathan_S on February 05, 2016, 10:54:41 AMThe Nightforce stuff is pretty awesome. Don't look at it unless you are seriously considering it though, otherwise it might haunt you.Isn't that the trueth.. I try not to look through anything that is better than mine but did it last weekend and now I need a better scope... From what I have read they are awesome scopes and very well built..
I was choosing between the nf shv and the leupold mark 4 on my lrh in 6.5-284. I ended up with mark 4 because I got a great deal on it. Which nf are you looking into? I think the 5-25 is the atacr? I haven't handled or used one of those but I think they are big and heavy which may not matter to you. Decide what you want in a gun before choosing glass. Guns can get heavy quick. I learned that with my 300 rum that now tips the scales at 14+ lb. with this 6.5-284 I wanted a more pack able gun and am right at 10-10.3 lb. I don't think you can go wrong with a top shelf scope wether it be from Leupold, vortex, nf, or other brands. All in what you want also. Is zero stop a must? Etc.
Quote from: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 12:12:31 PMI was choosing between the nf shv and the leupold mark 4 on my lrh in 6.5-284. I ended up with mark 4 because I got a great deal on it. Which nf are you looking into? I think the 5-25 is the atacr? I haven't handled or used one of those but I think they are big and heavy which may not matter to you. Decide what you want in a gun before choosing glass. Guns can get heavy quick. I learned that with my 300 rum that now tips the scales at 14+ lb. with this 6.5-284 I wanted a more pack able gun and am right at 10-10.3 lb. I don't think you can go wrong with a top shelf scope wether it be from Leupold, vortex, nf, or other brands. All in what you want also. Is zero stop a must? Etc.http://nightforceoptics.com/shv/5-20%C3%9756this is the scope i was looking at
If you do not have experience mounting that heavy of a scope on a rifle with a lot of potential for severe recoil...... be sure to research what it takes to keep it lfrom slipping in the rings.
Quote from: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 03:03:25 PMIf you do not have experience mounting that heavy of a scope on a rifle with a lot of potential for severe recoil...... be sure to research what it takes to keep it lfrom slipping in the rings. Like torquing them to proper specs? Just follow the directions on the package and you'll be fine.
Quote from: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 05:03:34 PMQuote from: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 03:03:25 PMIf you do not have experience mounting that heavy of a scope on a rifle with a lot of potential for severe recoil...... be sure to research what it takes to keep it lfrom slipping in the rings. Like torquing them to proper specs? Just follow the directions on the package and you'll be fine.Not in my experience, which I admit is limited. But I did put a 6-24 on a big recoiling rifle once and I always torque the hardware to spec. I ended up using Scotch Coat, which is something Ross Sefreid reccomended to me at the SHOT Show and that worked, but up til then the scope was slipping under recoil. This exercise was only done to shoot a buddy's 300 Win Mag at 600 or so yards for fun and it was right before the SHOT Show that we were messing with it by chance.
Quote from: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 05:33:08 PMQuote from: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 05:03:34 PMQuote from: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 03:03:25 PMIf you do not have experience mounting that heavy of a scope on a rifle with a lot of potential for severe recoil...... be sure to research what it takes to keep it lfrom slipping in the rings. Like torquing them to proper specs? Just follow the directions on the package and you'll be fine.Not in my experience, which I admit is limited. But I did put a 6-24 on a big recoiling rifle once and I always torque the hardware to spec. I ended up using Scotch Coat, which is something Ross Sefreid reccomended to me at the SHOT Show and that worked, but up til then the scope was slipping under recoil. This exercise was only done to shoot a buddy's 300 Win Mag at 600 or so yards for fun and it was right before the SHOT Show that we were messing with it by chance. ive had my razor hd on my 300 rum for close to 100 rounds now with no movement. Before that it was a 6-24 pst. I even put that pst on my 375 hh for load development with no movement. Rings have been Burris xtr, warne maxima, and vortex pmr
Quote from: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 05:47:06 PMQuote from: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 05:33:08 PMQuote from: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 05:03:34 PMQuote from: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 03:03:25 PMIf you do not have experience mounting that heavy of a scope on a rifle with a lot of potential for severe recoil...... be sure to research what it takes to keep it lfrom slipping in the rings. Like torquing them to proper specs? Just follow the directions on the package and you'll be fine.Not in my experience, which I admit is limited. But I did put a 6-24 on a big recoiling rifle once and I always torque the hardware to spec. I ended up using Scotch Coat, which is something Ross Sefreid reccomended to me at the SHOT Show and that worked, but up til then the scope was slipping under recoil. This exercise was only done to shoot a buddy's 300 Win Mag at 600 or so yards for fun and it was right before the SHOT Show that we were messing with it by chance. ive had my razor hd on my 300 rum for close to 100 rounds now with no movement. Before that it was a 6-24 pst. I even put that pst on my 375 hh for load development with no movement. Rings have been Burris xtr, warne maxima, and vortex pmrWe used Redfields or Burris Zee (not the Signature Zee), just wanted to give the guy a heads up and not have him struggle through what we did.
Ziess HD ! 3-15 or 5x25
Quote from: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 06:42:24 PMQuote from: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 05:47:06 PMQuote from: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 05:33:08 PMQuote from: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 05:03:34 PMQuote from: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 03:03:25 PMIf you do not have experience mounting that heavy of a scope on a rifle with a lot of potential for severe recoil...... be sure to research what it takes to keep it lfrom slipping in the rings. Like torquing them to proper specs? Just follow the directions on the package and you'll be fine.Not in my experience, which I admit is limited. But I did put a 6-24 on a big recoiling rifle once and I always torque the hardware to spec. I ended up using Scotch Coat, which is something Ross Sefreid reccomended to me at the SHOT Show and that worked, but up til then the scope was slipping under recoil. This exercise was only done to shoot a buddy's 300 Win Mag at 600 or so yards for fun and it was right before the SHOT Show that we were messing with it by chance. ive had my razor hd on my 300 rum for close to 100 rounds now with no movement. Before that it was a 6-24 pst. I even put that pst on my 375 hh for load development with no movement. Rings have been Burris xtr, warne maxima, and vortex pmrWe used Redfields or Burris Zee (not the Signature Zee), just wanted to give the guy a heads up and not have him struggle through what we did.I appreciate the advice. My knowledge of the mounting process is definitely limited, but i dont plan on skimping on the rings. the gun does have a 20 MOA weaver rail on it, which i'm sure will help in that department.
With a rail you can really use any of the tactical style rings. I really like the warne maxima steel rings. They are solid and lightweight. As for the reticle I would reccomend the moar reticle in the nf as it is not too busy and can only benefit you. True moa reticles are a god send. Unless your a mil guy.... Then your beyond help
Quote from: BULLBLASTER on February 05, 2016, 07:47:17 PMWith a rail you can really use any of the tactical style rings. I really like the warne maxima steel rings. They are solid and lightweight. As for the reticle I would reccomend the moar reticle in the nf as it is not too busy and can only benefit you. True moa reticles are a god send. Unless your a mil guy.... Then your beyond help A MOA reticle and having a MOA reticle in my Razor 85 30WA eyepiece made short work of dealing with shifting winds and getting on target with rockchucks. No fuss, no muss with dialing anything, just count dots and hold off on a second shot. Really makes it nice when targets are few and far between, which many of the colonies I shoot only offer five or six targets in a morning's shoot. The only short coming is that I only have a couple scopes w/MOA reticle. But I really don't need it for the shorter range stuff.
Lap your rings, a little blue lock tite, and tighten to specs and you will be fine. What kind of ranges are you wanting to shoot? Can't go wrong with Zeiss, NF, Leupold, Sightron, or any other top shelf glass in my opinion. Comes down to what features and specs you want.
Quote from: BLRman on February 05, 2016, 07:58:18 PMLap your rings, a little blue lock tite, and tighten to specs and you will be fine. What kind of ranges are you wanting to shoot? Can't go wrong with Zeiss, NF, Leupold, Sightron, or any other top shelf glass in my opinion. Comes down to what features and specs you want.Blue locktite betw the rings and scope? That may be a good thing for me now that my can of Scotch Coat is all dried up and I can no longer find it for sale. I had to send the Burris 3-9 Signature on my big game rifle back this year. It is a relatively heavy scope in a very light 300 Wby McMillan stocked Mod 70 that has never been adjusted for POI in 30 years and once I attempted to tweek it slightly this year was all over the place. I don't know that it will move when re mounted, but if blue locktite betw the rings and scope tube offers a near guarantee - why not? Normally I don't even consider scopes moving because I only shoot one scoped big game rifle, my 1886 45/70 carbine and my mod 71 both have Lyman peeps that never move. On Varmint rifles there is no significant recoil.
I've been rolling over this same question and I finally settled on the Leupold mark 4 with the TS-32X1 reticle. Still on the fence between the 6-20, and the 4-14. Its a hunting rifle so the 14x jumps out at me but they are the same weight so I could have a whole 20x and not get a weight penalty Bullblaster is trying to pressure me into the 20x but I don't know if i'm cool enough for the 20x club
Quote from: BLRman on February 05, 2016, 08:30:09 PMI've been rolling over this same question and I finally settled on the Leupold mark 4 with the TS-32X1 reticle. Still on the fence between the 6-20, and the 4-14. Its a hunting rifle so the 14x jumps out at me but they are the same weight so I could have a whole 20x and not get a weight penalty Bullblaster is trying to pressure me into the 20x but I don't know if i'm cool enough for the 20x club normally a 4 footer couldn't handle 20x but I think the club can make an exception for you.
You don't need a $1000 + scope on your gun. Buy a Vortex Diamondback. That's all you need. I really don't understand why guys say you need these expensive scopes for a gun you're going to shoot a few times a year. I'm putting a Vortex PST on my custom 6.5 Creedmoor and that was only $700.
Quote from: CAMPMEAT on February 05, 2016, 09:18:26 PMYou don't need a $1000 + scope on your gun. Buy a Vortex Diamondback. That's all you need. I really don't understand why guys say you need these expensive scopes for a gun you're going to shoot a few times a year. I'm putting a Vortex PST on my custom 6.5 Creedmoor and that was only $700. My Vortex Viper had a full on failure on me this year.
Quote from: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 08:14:19 PMQuote from: BLRman on February 05, 2016, 07:58:18 PMLap your rings, a little blue lock tite, and tighten to specs and you will be fine. What kind of ranges are you wanting to shoot? Can't go wrong with Zeiss, NF, Leupold, Sightron, or any other top shelf glass in my opinion. Comes down to what features and specs you want.Blue locktite betw the rings and scope? That may be a good thing for me now that my can of Scotch Coat is all dried up and I can no longer find it for sale. I had to send the Burris 3-9 Signature on my big game rifle back this year. It is a relatively heavy scope in a very light 300 Wby McMillan stocked Mod 70 that has never been adjusted for POI in 30 years and once I attempted to tweek it slightly this year was all over the place. I don't know that it will move when re mounted, but if blue locktite betw the rings and scope tube offers a near guarantee - why not? Normally I don't even consider scopes moving because I only shoot one scoped big game rifle, my 1886 45/70 carbine and my mod 71 both have Lyman peeps that never move. On Varmint rifles there is no significant recoil. Haha! I read back through that again and must have missed it, but no I don't put lock tite between the scope and rings. Although it could actually work now that I think about it
If you're not familiar, do a little research on the Sightron SIII. A few years ago, after owning my first couple Sightrons I sold my 6 or 7 Nightforces and replaced them with SIIIs. IMO you get 97% of the performance for ~50% of the cost. Excellent glass, excellent tracking, and a GREAT value. I'm a big fan of the LRMOA reticle.
Quote from: BLRman on February 05, 2016, 09:25:59 PMQuote from: CAMPMEAT on February 05, 2016, 09:18:26 PMYou don't need a $1000 + scope on your gun. Buy a Vortex Diamondback. That's all you need. I really don't understand why guys say you need these expensive scopes for a gun you're going to shoot a few times a year. I'm putting a Vortex PST on my custom 6.5 Creedmoor and that was only $700. My Vortex Viper had a full on failure on me this year. What happened to your scope ?
Quote from: CAMPMEAT on February 06, 2016, 07:17:02 AMQuote from: BLRman on February 05, 2016, 09:25:59 PMQuote from: CAMPMEAT on February 05, 2016, 09:18:26 PMYou don't need a $1000 + scope on your gun. Buy a Vortex Diamondback. That's all you need. I really don't understand why guys say you need these expensive scopes for a gun you're going to shoot a few times a year. I'm putting a Vortex PST on my custom 6.5 Creedmoor and that was only $700. My Vortex Viper had a full on failure on me this year. What happened to your scope ? the reticle came loose or something and would spend when I adjusted my power ring. I no longer had crosshairs I had an X for me personally, hunting is a pass fail test there's no second chances so the vortex is getting the boot and I'm climbing up the ladder hopefully.
I appreciate all the input, i will look into those sightron scopes as well before i choose. I am oscillating between the 5-20 and the 4-14, but am still leaning towards more magnification.
Quote from: frazierw on February 08, 2016, 11:19:22 AMI appreciate all the input, i will look into those sightron scopes as well before i choose. I am oscillating between the 5-20 and the 4-14, but am still leaning towards more magnification. Were do you live? I shoot at Seattle rifle and pistol in Machias, you can check out my Nightforce SHV 5-20X56 if you wanted