Hunter facing charges after death of beloved elk named Bullwinkle

[TVHunts]

I find lots of cougars in dive bars, they normally taste like cigarettes and bloody Mary's to me

Awesome 

[jkthomps]

I find lots of cougars in dive bars, they normally taste like cigarettes and bloody Mary's to me

😂 hahaha
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[emac]

I find lots of cougars in dive bars, they normally taste like cigarettes and bloody Mary's to me

Now that is funny poop right there

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[jmscon]

Just because this guy has contributed so much money to conservation should the state turn a blind eye to what he appears to have done? Just because he wins the auction doesn't mean there isn't someone else right behind him making a bid. The state will not suffer if this guy is convicted and can't bid on auctions, except for the court costs.

I have mixed feelings about the auction and raffle tags. I'm all for the auctions and the money it brings in. But the raffles, I've only bought tickets a couple of times and feel like the only time I'd have a chance would be if I spend a ton on tickets or if WDFW puts a limit on the number of tickets per person. I think that more people would buy in and offset the reduction from single people buying tons of tickets.

If he is convicted I hope they throw the book at him! If he is found innocent or makes a deal, I hope that the state can make conditions on his hunting privileges. If someone at WDFW gave him permission, that person should be canned and ticketed for aiding in illegal harvest! 

[Gringo31]

I find it funny that "some guy" comes on here to

1.  Straighten things out
2.  Says he won't say anything because it is an ongoing investigation.
3.  Says how many people will be served or sued for things they have said.
 
and my favorite

4.  Throws out a person's name from WDFW who HE says is to blame.....   

[ctwiggs1]

I find it funny that "some guy" comes on here to

1.  Straighten things out
2.  Says he won't say anything because it is an ongoing investigation.
3.  Says how many people will be served or sued for things they have said.
 
and my favorite

4.  Throws out a person's name from WDFW who HE says is to blame.....   

What's the internet good for if not for acting tough?

[Bango skank]

I find it funny that "some guy" comes on here to

1.  Straighten things out
2.  Says he won't say anything because it is an ongoing investigation.
3.  Says how many people will be served or sued for things they have said.
 
and my favorite

4.  Throws out a person's name from WDFW who HE says is to blame.....   

What's the internet good for if not for acting tough?

Porn

[justyhntr]

I find it funny that "some guy" comes on here to

1.  Straighten things out
2.  Says he won't say anything because it is an ongoing investigation.
3.  Says how many people will be served or sued for things they have said.
 
and my favorite

4.  Throws out a person's name from WDFW who HE says is to blame.....   

What's the internet good for if not for acting tough?

Porn

My favorite are the photos and comments by Ms. Information . 

[pianoman9701]

Any idea where you can buy it commercially?

There's a Cambodian guy in Pierce Co. who would probably sell you some. 

[pianoman9701]

Well actually, I have to say, I was glad that someone posted a link to the Yakima Herald article. I may not have seen it otherwise. I probably would have posted it myself if I had come across it first. This is also being discussed on Facebook and I'm sure there are comments being posted in the Yakima Herald as well.

thanks for the link to the article. I find it interesting how this one animal and hunter has created such a stir... from a different perspective, this person has probably put into WA state conservation (financially) MORE than this entire site full of hunters combine since just 2007. I don't know him, his ethics, or how rich he is either.. This animal was a conservation tool, used to draw money from us all for a chance of a lifetime, one ticket ever year for me too! Ethics and location maybe not so much. In the end, the money this one hunter has given has most likely made a direct impact in WA and now, the state will waste most of it (i bet) toward litigation and investigation fees. Why not just fix the book to allow this to occur, after all, these raffles and auction tags are just designed to make conservation dollars as I am led to understand in all the writings right? One draw, one animal, one hunter? Is it really that bad that this old rich dude paid to play or are we just jealous and casting stones?
Again, just considering the gain from all the moneys invested, not the ethical hunting of one man position. I find it more appalling when a person of this financial affluence takes the route of posting up a 100K piece of property his millionaire buddies to hunt and not giving back, don't you?

So should he also be able to shoot a Record Book Roosevelt in Grays Harbor, Lewis or Pacific County?  If not why not?  Here, let me answer that for ya:  Because that South Central Washington - Big Game Raffle Tag is not good there.  WTH is so hard to figure out about that.

Now, re: the "Bullwinkle" aspects of this - just because something is legal, is it a smart thing to do?   Well, irrespective of the legal issues, Scott Sandsberry was talking with residents and property owners all around the area who had absolutely no idea that any law was broken.   They were PO'd, and they thought that shooting this bull was wrong and they were talking to Scott Sandsberry about why they thought it was wrong, but they had no idea that the tag he used to kill the bull with came with this restriction: 
South Central Washington - Big Game $ 17.00 per ticket
Elk: Any 300 or 500 series GMU open to elk hunting except GMUs not open to branch antlered bull elk hunting
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/index.html   

again I don't agree with the whole thing he did. was just saying that he definitely has contributed large sums to the state and now they will just use it up in court proceedings. reviews show suspect activities since 2007, why blame just him? allowing continued contributions from 2007 forward is frankly a state swing and a miss. since this raffle and auction is all about the money, the state WDFW didn't step in and prevent his participation after past adjudicated activity. To me, its not hard to understand JD, my point was either they (state) cares or they are just going thru motions, he was as I understand, forced off lands for a couple years by courts after 2007/8 raffle/auction tag episode yet still allowed to throw money into the state hoppers and participate in follow on auctions and raffles, that was the major state miss. Now, the state industry will waste money, not using it for conservation in this process. This person has as I read in articles, a fairly unlimited resources to dip from, how much will the state spend to pursue him? I would think that WDFW raffles and auctions programs could restrict individual participation and everyone moves on and conservation dollars are used for conservation. I get it upsets everyone here, myself included, but I blame more than the act or individual here...

...then your blame is misplaced. All due respects, Birddogdad, it's like blaming "an atmosphere of violence" to justify a gangsta's murdering someone. He knew the rules, probably better than anyone else, especially since he'd been bitten before. You blame the crime on the criminal.

[JDHasty]

Well actually, I have to say, I was glad that someone posted a link to the Yakima Herald article. I may not have seen it otherwise. I probably would have posted it myself if I had come across it first. This is also being discussed on Facebook and I'm sure there are comments being posted in the Yakima Herald as well.

thanks for the link to the article. I find it interesting how this one animal and hunter has created such a stir... from a different perspective, this person has probably put into WA state conservation (financially) MORE than this entire site full of hunters combine since just 2007. I don't know him, his ethics, or how rich he is either.. This animal was a conservation tool, used to draw money from us all for a chance of a lifetime, one ticket ever year for me too! Ethics and location maybe not so much. In the end, the money this one hunter has given has most likely made a direct impact in WA and now, the state will waste most of it (i bet) toward litigation and investigation fees. Why not just fix the book to allow this to occur, after all, these raffles and auction tags are just designed to make conservation dollars as I am led to understand in all the writings right? One draw, one animal, one hunter? Is it really that bad that this old rich dude paid to play or are we just jealous and casting stones?
Again, just considering the gain from all the moneys invested, not the ethical hunting of one man position. I find it more appalling when a person of this financial affluence takes the route of posting up a 100K piece of property his millionaire buddies to hunt and not giving back, don't you?

So should he also be able to shoot a Record Book Roosevelt in Grays Harbor, Lewis or Pacific County?  If not why not?  Here, let me answer that for ya:  Because that South Central Washington - Big Game Raffle Tag is not good there.  WTH is so hard to figure out about that.

Now, re: the "Bullwinkle" aspects of this - just because something is legal, is it a smart thing to do?   Well, irrespective of the legal issues, Scott Sandsberry was talking with residents and property owners all around the area who had absolutely no idea that any law was broken.   They were PO'd, and they thought that shooting this bull was wrong and they were talking to Scott Sandsberry about why they thought it was wrong, but they had no idea that the tag he used to kill the bull with came with this restriction: 
South Central Washington - Big Game $ 17.00 per ticket
Elk: Any 300 or 500 series GMU open to elk hunting except GMUs not open to branch antlered bull elk hunting
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/permits/raffles/index.html   

again I don't agree with the whole thing he did. was just saying that he definitely has contributed large sums to the state and now they will just use it up in court proceedings. reviews show suspect activities since 2007, why blame just him? allowing continued contributions from 2007 forward is frankly a state swing and a miss. since this raffle and auction is all about the money, the state WDFW didn't step in and prevent his participation after past adjudicated activity. To me, its not hard to understand JD, my point was either they (state) cares or they are just going thru motions, he was as I understand, forced off lands for a couple years by courts after 2007/8 raffle/auction tag episode yet still allowed to throw money into the state hoppers and participate in follow on auctions and raffles, that was the major state miss. Now, the state industry will waste money, not using it for conservation in this process. This person has as I read in articles, a fairly unlimited resources to dip from, how much will the state spend to pursue him? I would think that WDFW raffles and auctions programs could restrict individual participation and everyone moves on and conservation dollars are used for conservation. I get it upsets everyone here, myself included, but I blame more than the act or individual here...

...then your blame is misplaced. All due respects, Birddogdad, it's like blaming "an atmosphere of violence" to justify a gangsta's murdering someone. He knew the rules, probably better than anyone else, especially since he'd been bitten before. You blame the crime on the criminal.

There are kids as young as eight and nine in Hunter Education classes every session.  Who's responsibility is it to know the rules?  -  is one of the questions that are asked every session and I have yet to hear a student not get this one right.  When an instructor asks that question hands go up or students blurt out "It is my responsibility."

[kiticaashunter]

I find it funny that "some guy" comes on here to

1.  Straighten things out
2.  Says he won't say anything because it is an ongoing investigation.
3.  Says how many people will be served or sued for things they have said.
 
and my favorite

4.  Throws out a person's name from WDFW who HE says is to blame.....   

Not sure what's funny about that? And I didn't just throw out a name. I gave the name of the officer that gave clear permission to shoot the bull knowing exactly where it was at. If you think that's funny or something that's your rigbt.

[JDHasty]

I find it funny that "some guy" comes on here to

1.  Straighten things out
2.  Says he won't say anything because it is an ongoing investigation.
3.  Says how many people will be served or sued for things they have said.
 
and my favorite

4.  Throws out a person's name from WDFW who HE says is to blame.....   

Not sure what's funny about that? And I didn't just throw out a name. I gave the name of the officer that gave clear permission to shoot the bull knowing exactly where it was at. If you think that's funny or something that's your rigbt.

[teanawayslayer]

I find it funny that "some guy" comes on here to

1.  Straighten things out
2.  Says he won't say anything because it is an ongoing investigation.
3.  Says how many people will be served or sued for things they have said.
 
and my favorite

4.  Throws out a person's name from WDFW who HE says is to blame.....   

Not sure what's funny about that? And I didn't just throw out a name. I gave the name of the officer that gave clear permission to shoot the bull knowing exactly where it was at. If you think that's funny or something that's your rigbt.

so why would a guy that sent the case the the prosecutors office send it there if there were no laws violated? Oh wait that's right you don't want to talk about the case!

[jackelope]

I find it funny that "some guy" comes on here to

1.  Straighten things out
2.  Says he won't say anything because it is an ongoing investigation.
3.  Says how many people will be served or sued for things they have said.
 
and my favorite

4.  Throws out a person's name from WDFW who HE says is to blame.....   

Not sure what's funny about that? And I didn't just throw out a name. I gave the name of the officer that gave clear permission to shoot the bull knowing exactly where it was at. If you think that's funny or something that's your rigbt.

Seems unlikely someone with a tag link that would risk a chance of getting in trouble at least you'd hope not

I'm not going to comment on any details while this case is open  or before the person on this forum gets served. I will tell you great steps were taken to do the right thing.

And the right thing was? 

Welcome to the site. Pretty big first couple of posts.

And who is getting served if you don't mind me asking.

Thank you for the welcome.  I signed up to this forum to hopefully clear things up some. There has been a lot of false information posted on this site. A call was made to the game department asking if it was ok to shoot the bull where it located. After Morgan Grant from the game department checked into it another phone conversation took place and the hunters were told they absolutely could harvest that bull with that tag at that location. If in fact the info given was wrong the game department is the one to be blamed.

As for the person on here that will be dealing with legal issues, I can't tell you who that is at this point. But if you read the thread on this topic that was removed it would be really easy for you to guess who.

Hopefully your info is accurate. Wouldn't want Mr. Grant filing a lawsuit against you.