Columbia Fishing guide tax

[WALLEYEGUY]

   There are so many of us that don't have a clue the guides keep many involved in the fishery, good thing for all of us.  When I go down (on the lower C) I am being guided for lack of a better term, but it is by a friend that I have hooked up with that takes me for salmon I take him for walleyes.  If I am going some where new I always try to hire a guide one day, my learning curve is so much shorter it saves me days or weeks of figuring things out.  Personally I am just jealous that have never pulled the trigger and took up guiding full time self.  But those that do guide and outfit have a hard row to hoe, and I think do help us and the fisheries, by keeping the fringes involved and are out here everyday hopefully watching over ours and their resource. IMO (Hopefully a guide one day)

[WAPatriot]

Another thing about guides that drives me nuts is that they cause fisheries and techniques to get blown up.  I've been fishing pro trolls and stupid baits for 5 years now it was a big advantage in certain fisheries. A guide or two catches on to using stupid baits and tells his friends there goes your competitive advantage. Then pretty soon all the boats start using stupid baits cause a third of the boats out there are guides. It just sucks I wish guides in freshwater fisheries didn't exist.

[WAPatriot]

  There are so many of us that don't have a clue the guides keep many involved in the fishery, good thing for all of us.  When I go down (on the lower C) I am being guided for lack of a better term, but it is by a friend that I have hooked up with that takes me for salmon I take him for walleyes.  If I am going some where new I always try to hire a guide one day, my learning curve is so much shorter it saves me days or weeks of figuring things out.  Personally I am just jealous that have never pulled the trigger and took up guiding full time self.  But those that do guide and outfit have a hard row to hoe, and I think do help us and the fisheries, by keeping the fringes involved and are out here everyday hopefully watching over ours and their resource. IMO (Hopefully a guide one day)

Why on earth if you have a boat would you want to fish with a guide.  Especially on the lower Columbia going springer fishing with a bunch of random people when all your doing is rotting on the hook. Ain't exactly rocket science.

[WALLEYEGUY]

  There are so many of us that don't have a clue the guides keep many involved in the fishery, good thing for all of us.  When I go down (on the lower C) I am being guided for lack of a better term, but it is by a friend that I have hooked up with that takes me for salmon I take him for walleyes.  If I am going some where new I always try to hire a guide one day, my learning curve is so much shorter it saves me days or weeks of figuring things out.  Personally I am just jealous that have never pulled the trigger and took up guiding full time self.  But those that do guide and outfit have a hard row to hoe, and I think do help us and the fisheries, by keeping the fringes involved and are out here everyday hopefully watching over ours and their resource. IMO (Hopefully a guide one day)

Why on earth if you have a boat would you want to fish with a guide.  Especially on the lower Columbia going springer fishing with a bunch of random people when all your doing is rotting on the hook. Ain't exactly rocket science.

I have hired crappie guides in Oklahoma and bay guides in Florida, and yes some techniques are not rocket science, sturgeon on the lower Columbia but local techniques, bait rigging  and areas are huge.  My sturgeon trip on lower Columbia one of the best days of fishing ever.  I usually warn my guides hey I am here for a week or I just moved here (ex military)  so they know I will be back to the spots they show me.  Usually has never been a problem.  Even on the lower Columbia most guides are wealth of knowledge on best poles, lines and rigging, and personally I wear them out with questions, might even smuggle a hand held GPS on board also.

[jackmaster]

I know this will get me flamed but before they do anything to guides I would rather see them do away with all commercial fishing. If you want fish to eat go catch one. If you don't know how, go with a guide!! The commercial industry, native and non native have destroyed our runs, Washington at one time was world renowned, the puyallup was an insane fishery for salmon and steelhead.. Leave the sportsman alone as well as guides!!

[Curly]

I agree. Get rid of the nets in the rivers, kill a couple thousand sea lions, kill a ton of gulls, cormorants and mergansers, and then see how the fish runs are doing.

[bearpaw]

I know this will get me flamed but before they do anything to guides I would rather see them do away with all commercial fishing. If you want fish to eat go catch one. If you don't know how, go with a guide!! The commercial industry, native and non native have destroyed our runs, Washington at one time was world renowned, the puyallup was an insane fishery for salmon and steelhead.. Leave the sportsman alone as well as guides!!

I can't agree with this, I live a few hundred miles from the wetside and sometimes it's nice to buy fish in the grocery store. What about people who live in Kansas? IMO, proper management involves allowing a certain percentage for everyone!

[Dhoey07]

I know this will get me flamed but before they do anything to guides I would rather see them do away with all commercial fishing. If you want fish to eat go catch one. If you don't know how, go with a guide!! The commercial industry, native and non native have destroyed our runs, Washington at one time was world renowned, the puyallup was an insane fishery for salmon and steelhead.. Leave the sportsman alone as well as guides!!

I can't agree with this, I live a few hundred miles from the wetside and sometimes it's nice to buy fish in the grocery store. What about people who live in Kansas? IMO, proper management involves allowing a certain percentage for everyone!

Buy farmed fish.  Most of the "steelhead" that you buy in there stores are actually net pen triploids anyway. 

[fisheral87]

IMO, proper management involves allowing a certain percentage for everyone!

Totally disagree, as citizens we are entitled to none of it and responsible for all of it.

That's also why I have a problem with making hunting/fishing a right. That argument has already been made, contributing in large part to the destruction of the resource.

It is a privilege that is being destroyed through an entitlement mindset of the consumers.

Al

[SteelheadTed]

Guides hurt fisheries plain and simple, most of their clients do not appreciate the fisheries or the resource.  If you don't believe me ask a guide, they will tell you.  Many rivers have been guided to death.  Its ridiculous to act like they are generating a ton of support by bringing out tons of people to fisheries that can't support the pressure, and yes i'm aware of the commercial pressure blah blah blah I could go on for hours...

That is a very cynical and ungracious attitude.  Guides care more about the resource than just about anyone.  Their livelihood depends on the fish being around in the future.  Many rivers have been guided to death?  Based on what?  Where are the facts to back up such a bold and affectatious claim?

[bearpaw]

IMO, proper management involves allowing a certain percentage for everyone!

Totally disagree, as citizens we are entitled to none of it and responsible for all of it.

That's also why I have a problem with making hunting/fishing a right. That argument has already been made, contributing in large part to the destruction of the resource.

It is a privilege that is being destroyed through an entitlement mindset of the consumers.

Al

I guess we can simply disagree, I see most of the bitching as simple greed, because somebody wants more at someone elses expense. 

[SteelheadTed]

Another thing about guides that drives me nuts is that they cause fisheries and techniques to get blown up.  I've been fishing pro trolls and stupid baits for 5 years now it was a big advantage in certain fisheries. A guide or two catches on to using stupid baits and tells his friends there goes your competitive advantage. Then pretty soon all the boats start using stupid baits cause a third of the boats out there are guides. It just sucks I wish guides in freshwater fisheries didn't exist.

Man, your bitter.  Seriously, life isn't fair, hot fishing techniques come and go, this is not a new issue and whining about something you can't change is just wasted energy. 

"Competitive advantage"?  Since when is fishing a competition?  It isn't.  We all have the same access, no one can keep more fish than someone else.  No one owns a certain river just because they've fished it for 20 years.  There is nothing stopping you from catching your limit other than you.  There is no competition.

You know what's weird?  Three weeks ago I caught a limit of sockeye on a great river and not another person was around, all day.  Those places still exist, I fish those places all the time, quit whining and go fishing.

[deerlick]

you will not find any guide love from me, i think what we need is higher standards for the guides and limited entry per river/basin.  very few "local" guides any more, it's become a horde of locusts especially in the last 15 years.  kind of funny seeing guys with "425" numbers guiding on the cowlitz, humptulips, etc.
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so I fish all over the state is that not ok too.

[bearpaw]

you will not find any guide love from me, i think what we need is higher standards for the guides and limited entry per river/basin.  very few "local" guides any more, it's become a horde of locusts especially in the last 15 years.  kind of funny seeing guys with "425" numbers guiding on the cowlitz, humptulips, etc.

  You ought to come check area codes in NE WA during late buck season! 

[WAPatriot]

Another thing about guides that drives me nuts is that they cause fisheries and techniques to get blown up.  I've been fishing pro trolls and stupid baits for 5 years now it was a big advantage in certain fisheries. A guide or two catches on to using stupid baits and tells his friends there goes your competitive advantage. Then pretty soon all the boats start using stupid baits cause a third of the boats out there are guides. It just sucks I wish guides in freshwater fisheries didn't exist.

Man, your bitter.  Seriously, life isn't fair, hot fishing techniques come and go, this is not a new issue and whining about something you can't change is just wasted energy. 

"Competitive advantage"?  Since when is fishing a competition?  It isn't.  We all have the same access, no one can keep more fish than someone else.  No one owns a certain river just because they've fished it for 20 years.  There is nothing stopping you from catching your limit other than you.  There is no competition.

You know what's weird?  Three weeks ago I caught a limit of sockeye on a great river and not another person was around, all day.  Those places still exist, I fish those places all the time, quit whining and go fishing.

Cool dude. Everything in life is a competition to me at least. I strive to be the best out there at whatever I do. I'm sure there are others like me.