To build a coyote trap

[winslow]

Application for permit to trap for problem wildlife ( http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/trapping/trap_permit_i713.pdf ) + MB-650-RJ ( http://www.minntrapprod.com/MB-650-RJ/productinfo/MB650RJ/ ) = hard to find a reason to build a huge, expensive, probably-not-going-to-work-anyway cage trap for coyotes.

 

[jasnt]

That's the reason I want to do it. So many have said it can't be done. I'm calling 🐂💩  And doing it if is the last thing I do

[winslow]

That's the reason I want to do it. So many have said it can't be done. I'm calling 🐂💩  And doing it if is the last thing I do

I know what you mean. I used to do the same thing (with almost everything, including coyote traps), but I ran out of time and patience for failure!

I wish you the best of luck and sincerely hope you crack the code.

Winslow

[jasnt]

That's the reason I want to do it. So many have said it can't be done. I'm calling 🐂💩  And doing it if is the last thing I do

I know what you mean. I used to do the same thing (with almost everything, including coyote traps), but I ran out of time and patience for failure!

I wish you the best of luck and sincerely hope you crack the code.

Winslow

👍🏻. No one will if we all give up

[kirkdekalb]

I have a new design that shows promise. I have gotten excited before just to be humbled.

Time will tell.

[jasnt]

Good luck Kirk! In a way us cage trappers are paving the way to the future. We only loose more and never seem to get back what we have lost, sadly I think more and more states are going non grip, Montana is on the chopping block, we need to preserve our ways and over come the hurdles this word is dumping on us.  We will find away!

[kirkdekalb]

Said well, too many limitations.

[winslow]

If you have more time and money than you need, it would be better spent, in my opinion, supporting people and organizations that work to preserve and improve our rights, not figuring out how to work within ridiculous confines imposed by know-nothing antis with deep pockets.

Check this out from Idaho, for example - a state constitutional amendment that protects our interests-

"The rights to hunt, fish and trap, including by the use of traditional methods,
are a valued part of the heritage of the State of Idaho and shall forever be
preserved for the people and managed through the laws, rules and
proclamations that preserve the future of hunting, fishing and trapping. Public
hunting, fishing and trapping of wildlife shall be a preferred means of
managing wildlife. The rights set forth herein do not create a right to trespass
on private property, shall not affect rights to divert, appropriate and use water,
or establish any minimum amount of water in any water body, shall not lead to
a diminution of other private rights, and shall not prevent the suspension or
revocation, pursuant to statute enacted by the Legislature, of an individual's
hunting, fishing or trapping license.

There are other states, too - https://www.nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/StateRighttoHunFish.pdf

I wholly support any and all experimentation, invention, innovation, and the enjoyment that we derive from all that, but cage traps, too, will be illegal here soon enough, whether it's one species at a time (expect bobcats to be the first to go) or the activity of trapping in general. Without legislative protection, we will become outlaws.

[jasnt]

I totally agree Winslow though I don't have near enough time or money but I do have a addiction to trapping and trap building so I can't stop lol. That is why I joined wsta! I don't have the time or know how to fight the anti's so I support those that can and I do join the fight when I'm able

[Humptulips]

It is great to support pro-sportsmen organizations and in this case specifically trapping organizations.
However this thread is about building a WA legal cage trap that can and will catch a coyote. I think that has value on a number of different levels.
First of all even in places where you could legally set foot traps and snares there are places where it would not be advisable. I hear from a lot of people in urban settings with coyote problems and there is no easy answer for them.
If someone invented a cage trap that would work you can bet your bottom dollar their would be applications for it. We can all use another tool in the box
Second there is the fur. Coyotes has been the only furbearer the market has shown interest in lately and we here in WA have been froze out of the market because of what we are allowed to use. Should the law be changed? Sure, but if that is not in the cards it would be really nice to have that coyote caging machine.
Third is just the challenge of coming up with a design. Not everybody is in to that but it is like the MT Everest of trap design. 

[jasnt]

It is great to support pro-sportsmen organizations and in this case specifically trapping organizations.
However this thread is about building a WA legal cage trap that can and will catch a coyote. I think that has value on a number of different levels.
First of all even in places where you could legally set foot traps and snares there are places where it would not be advisable. I hear from a lot of people in urban settings with coyote problems and there is no easy answer for them.
If someone invented a cage trap that would work you can bet your bottom dollar their would be applications for it. We can all use another tool in the box
Second there is the fur. Coyotes has been the only furbearer the market has shown interest in lately and we here in WA have been froze out of the market because of what we are allowed to use. Should the law be changed? Sure, but if that is not in the cards it would be really nice to have that coyote caging machine.
Third is just the challenge of coming up with a design. Not everybody is in to that but it is like the MT Everest of trap design. 

👍🏻

[kirkdekalb]

Even if there is a successful design, cost is a prohibiting factor.  That is why almost all conventional methods should be allowed.

Just the size is a very limiting factor, even if it is designed to not be so large.

I don,t think meeting the state requirements would be as much as a concern as the cost.

[winslow]

Been thinking about your project...

Found a few threads around the web that pointed to the same idea:

from https://www.qdma.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-54472.html

We used to have good success trapping them in 8-10" PVC pipe.

At the time we were getting $75/live dog from a pen that was using them to train coyote hounds. We would bury 5-6' long sections of pipe at 30-45 degree angle & throw a live chicken or rabbit down in there. The live bait is too much temptation & a coyote can't back out of the pipe once he's down in there.
criggster

from: http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1110406

we have a few amish guys that have been trapping coyotes with 12in diameter pvc pipe or similiar... as long as the insides is smooth.. length im not sure, id say 10-14ft.
they throw raw chicken meat in the bottom of the pipe(the end of it is capped ofcourse) and they put it on the steep slope of a bank they know the coyotes are running and stake it down.
when the coyote goes down the pipe to snatch up the chicken he cant pull himself back out.... too slick..
ive never tried it yet but i cant see why it wouldnt work. theres not enough room for them to turn around and they cant pull back out bc there is no traction.

from: http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/450661/coyote-war-its-on/20

I have seen a large Pvc pipe used to trap yotes 10-15 ' long one end on a hill the bottom end buried in the dirt yote slides down and cannot get out because of the slick PVC and the claws on the paws the pipe was 18-24" in diameter . bait was a decomposed chicken

Thought this might be an interesting tangent to consider, though I saw no pics of coyotes caught in such a trap. It seems an easy set might be to cap the pipe on one end and secure it on an appropriately sloped hillside, capped end downhill and bait inside with some holes drilled to release scent.

[jasnt]

Thanks winslow