875 yard .308 Elk kill

[Jonathan_S]

Foot pounds of energy is what knocks down your animal.

Period, end of story? Nope but it is a factor.

There is room for a good argument that he hit a different animal then he was even aiming at.:

Did you watch the video? Could you hear it when you did?

Most guys would think its extremely un-ethical to shoot at elk with a 30-30 at 350 but don't think that this new fad of long range shooting is neat and cool.

It's not a fad. It's called people with better equipment and talent and they've been doing it for hundreds of years  for what it's worth, I think that 875 is a heck of a long way for me personally to shoot at a healthy animal. For lots of guys with a good gun, good glass and lots of trigger time and a good spotter, it's not even a stretch. That's where your .30-30 comparison falls flat. A gun that is shooting flat nosed bullets and spraying bullets at 350 isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. Unless ft lbs of energy is your only consideration.

[SilkOnTheDrySide]

Foot pounds of energy is what knocks down your animal.

Period, end of story? Nope but it is a factor.

There is room for a good argument that he hit a different animal then he was even aiming at.:

Did you watch the video? Could you hear it when you did?

Most guys would think its extremely un-ethical to shoot at elk with a 30-30 at 350 but don't think that this new fad of long range shooting is neat and cool.

It's not a fad. It's called people with better equipment and talent and they've been doing it for hundreds of years  for what it's worth, I think that 875 is a heck of a long way for me personally to shoot at a healthy animal. For lots of guys with a good gun, good glass and lots of trigger time and a good spotter, it's not even a stretch. That's where your .30-30 comparison falls flat. A gun that is shooting flat nosed bullets and spraying bullets at 350 isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. Unless ft lbs of energy is your only consideration.

A few years ago I missed two bears between 400-500 yards using hold over on my rifle.

I made it a point to never be in that situation again. So I spent some money. Learned how to hand load, practice a lot, work on dry firing drills etc, and feel confident with my rifle.

At this point with today's equipment, ballistic programs, and trigger time, this isn't even that hard of a shot under good conditions.

The wind looked a little tricky here though.

He called 1/3 value of whatever hey had.

For me a 10 MPH wind is 26" at that range.

So a 15 Gust could have kicked it to 39 and a miss...

My buddy gave me a rest piece of wisdom shooting long range, "guys don't miss on elevation, that's just math. Guys miss because of wind."


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[JimmyHoffa]

And that's for inanimate targets.  Add animal behavior and you get another variable that's not so well mathematically modeled.

[mountainman]

And that's for inanimate targets.  Add animal behavior and you get another variable that's not so well mathematically modeled.

So true

[Jpmiller]

For you long range guys how long does it take (on average) a bullet to travel 8 or 900 yards?

[jay.sharkbait]

So now we are going to play the "what if " game?

[SilkOnTheDrySide]

For you long range guys how long does it take (on average) a bullet to travel 8 or 900 yards?

.9 seconds at 800 yards
1.04 at 900 yards


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[jdb]

Why would anybody want to get to 20 yards when rifle hunting?

why would you not? For me it's about being a skilled hunter. ITs a completEly diffrent skill set than it takes to shoot something 875 yards away. I have no desire to do that. (Not judging those that do just not my thing).  To me shooting an elk in its bed is bragging something to brag about!

[Jonathan_S]

Why would anybody want to get to 20 yards when rifle hunting?

why would you not? For me it's about being a skilled hunter. ITs a completEly diffrent skill set than it takes to shoot something 875 yards away. I have no desire to do that. (Not judging those that do just not my thing).  To me shooting an elk in its bed is bragging something to brag about!

That's cool. Not really my thing when rifle hunting. I prefer to use my skills to take the first shot that I can reliably make.

[Jonathan_S]

Overall this thread is like reading a bunch of high school quarterbacks talk about how NFL quarterbacks shouldn't make long passes because of how hard it is to do it accurately.

[yakimanoob]

Overall this thread is like reading a bunch of high school quarterbacks talk about how NFL quarterbacks shouldn't make long passes because of how hard it is to do it accurately.

No living, breathing creature gets mortally wounded and dies a slow, agonizing death when a QB misses. Making a bad shot on an animal is not something to be taken lightly.

To me, and I would think most of us, taking an ethical shot means being DAM# SURE your bullet will hit its mark (skill) and cause enough damage to kill the animal quickly (equipment).  If you're not sure, don't take the shot.

The discussion here is whether or not it's even possible to be SURE in the first place that you'll kill the animal quickly shooting with a .308 at 875 yards.
 

[Redbeard]

Overall this thread is like reading a bunch of high school quarterbacks talk about how NFL quarterbacks shouldn't make long passes because of how hard it is to do it accurately.

No living, breathing creature gets mortally wounded and dies a slow, agonizing death when a QB misses. Making a bad shot on an animal is not something to be taken lightly.

To me, and I would think most of us, taking an ethical shot means being DAM# SURE your bullet will hit its mark (skill) and cause enough damage to kill the animal quickly (equipment).  If you're not sure, don't take the shot.

The discussion here is whether or not it's even possible to be SURE in the first place that you'll kill the animal quickly shooting with a .308 at 875 yards.
 

Well said

[JDHasty]

Overall this thread is like reading a bunch of high school quarterbacks talk about how NFL quarterbacks shouldn't make long passes because of how hard it is to do it accurately.

No living, breathing creature gets mortally wounded and dies a slow, agonizing death when a QB misses. Making a bad shot on an animal is not something to be taken lightly.

To me, and I would think most of us, taking an ethical shot means being DAM# SURE your bullet will hit its mark (skill) and cause enough damage to kill the animal quickly (equipment).  If you're not sure, don't take the shot.

The discussion here is whether or not it's even possible to be SURE in the first place that you'll kill the animal quickly shooting with a .308 at 875 yards.
 

Well said

True that

[Jonathan_S]

Overall this thread is like reading a bunch of high school quarterbacks talk about how NFL quarterbacks shouldn't make long passes because of how hard it is to do it accurately.

No living, breathing creature gets mortally wounded and dies a slow, agonizing death when a QB misses. Making a bad shot on an animal is not something to be taken lightly.

To me, and I would think most of us, taking an ethical shot means being DAM# SURE your bullet will hit its mark (skill) and cause enough damage to kill the animal quickly (equipment).  If you're not sure, don't take the shot.

The discussion here is whether or not it's even possible to be SURE in the first place that you'll kill the animal quickly shooting with a .308 at 875 yards.
 

I think you miss the point noob

[BULLBLASTER]

It looks to me like the shooter in the video can be very sure that his 308 is capable of killing an elk at 875 yards.