Faster creeks

[sivart33]

I am completely green to trapping.  How would you do sets in faster body's of water?  I live on a creek but the water speed is much more then I see in any video.  That faster western wa creek. Maybe 600 cfm but that is a total guess, so take that with a grain of salt.

 I see a lot of beaver sign so not worried about if they are around.  Don't know if rats live in the faster water.  I am testing out sets now but feel lost when setting a swim through trap when none of it is to slow some side washes but water level dictates if they work.

  I can get a picture up when ever I can figure this thing out with my phone..

[Norman89]

Depends what kinds of traps you are running. My beaver cages are conibear triggers and i have issues with the faster waters here in the mountain creeks setting them off a lot. Any debris hits the trigger even a leaf and now I have a trap with closed doors. Bear hunter will probably chime in he suggested a strand or two of 4 lb test monofiliment tyeing the triggers in place a beaver or otter swimming at speed should break the mono easily and allow the trap to go off. I have not implemented the technique yet but its one in the bag to try. The mountain creeks I trap also have seriously fluctuating water levels I have to contend with as well. For my muskrat traps I have tried a few different methods of weighing down the doors to help them close in the faster water. Hope this helps

[jasnt]

I would try it myself. I was surprised how fast of water I was able to set with my traps. They are coni triggers but I use a very strong door spring which ime makes the trigger stiffer.  If it dosent stay set I would try upping the spring pressure by adding an Extra spring or 2. I use trampoline springs on my traps

[ouchfoss]

Depending on how your trigger is setup (if its a conibear Trigger) I just bend the rod holding it so that its "grabbing" more of the main frame and therefore less touchy to going off. When I first started trapping I thought that you had to have a hair trigger and for swim thru drown sets, I figured out that is not the case. Once a beaver or otter commits to swimming through your cage, they are pushing real hard and will trip even the hardest set trigger. You might lose some muskrat that way but your still going to get every otter or beaver that swims through your set. I've also started having shorter trigger rods put in my cages as well. My thoughts on that is if a stick or big leaf floats thru, there's more of a chance of it not even touching the trigger and if one does, a shorter rod has less leverage and therefore requires faster current to trip it versus a longer one. I have one trap that is 10x12x48 and somehow the rod got most of the way broke off one day to where its like maybe 3 inches long and I just left it alone thinking its still long enough to get triggered if a beaver swims through. I ended up catching 2 more beavers and a large muskrat with that trap that season and several times when I checked it, there were leaves and small sticks stuck to the trigger from a heavy rain the day before and it had not been tripped.

[sivart33]

I was more looking for location in the faster water but all this info is helping me understand a lot. 

A lot of this and log jams. Should I be looking at the broken banks or root balls/ log jams?

[huntingfool7]

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[Humptulips]

I'll agree with Ouchfoss that you can go with quite a stiff trigger. Sometimes you get to a stream and you want to set in a spot that your trigger is just going to go off. No need to give up, go home and file the dog. Just take your clippers and cut a small branch like a willow whip and stick it through the cage wire on the downstream side  of the trigger so that the trigger can rest against the stick. Supports the trigger against the current and believe me anything going through will still spring the trap.
One spot I set the current was so strong I had a devil of a time keeping the trap in place. Had it wire to the bank and stakes stuck through the cage. The stick I had through kept the trap from spring though and I caught beaver, otter and even muskrat in it.

In the picture above I would probably be looking for a side channel or a feeder stream to set in. You can make bottom edge sets too. All water animals are going to tend to follow the deep side of the stream. Look for a squared off bank or even a bit of a cut bank where the water is hopefully not a lot deeper then your trap and set the edge with some guiding sticks put in kind of like wings for a little ways.
Depending on the stream though these can be fish catchers. Not the end of the world if you catch one once in a while but you can't catch fur if you are always turning fish loose. If there are spawned out salmon cruising about best to forget it as you will catch the same ones time after time.
Experience and learning to read sign along with thinking like a beaver, otter or whatever is really the key most of the time.
When you are using swim throughs you are blind setting and sometimes it takes a lot of hiking up and down a stream to find the key spots. A stream like pictured might literally have one really great spot to set but that one spot will catch every beaver and otter on the stream given time. You just have to find it.
Other streams maybe it is easy to find a good spot or several good spots. My biggest thrill always was finding a really great spot.
Sometimes you'll know you hit the mother load as soon as you see it. Other times you don't realize until you make a few catches.

[redi]

I look for narrow channels about 2 feet wide that funnel the beaver into the trap. I also look for side creeks where the beavers are working on trees. If there is a dam and ponds you can find a natural "slot that y our trap will fill and be successful. Good luck.

[JakeLand]

Some of the ditches I trap beaver in flow pretty good but my main issue was debri floating into the swim through and building up on the triggers and firing off the trap
So what I started doing was about 10-15 feet upstream I would drive a small diameter pole on the middle of the ditch and I wasn't getting any debri in them but was still catching critters

[sivart33]

This will give you a better idea what it looks like.

[Norman89]

I can see one good spot. That log just over the surface in the second pic find the deepest spot and set under the log. Natural dive point can fence down a bit to funnel them in

[Carp Commander]

It's hard to tell by photo but that doesn't look any faster than the stuff I trap. I would find your pinch points and just set it. I once took a bread sack tie and gave it a single wrap just to be sure but  in hindsight I don't think it made any difference. Debris can be a problem but it's mitigated by checking ever day.

The inside bends of the river typical are not as swift. I will also set perpendicular to the flow in places where they are climbing up. Just don't wire a dive stick to your trap unless you have the trap wired off.

[jasnt]

It's hard to tell by photo but that doesn't look any faster than the stuff I trap. I would find your pinch points and just set it. I once took a bread sack tie and gave it a single wrap just to be sure but  in hindsight I don't think it made any difference. Debris can be a problem but it's mitigated by checking ever day.

The inside bends of the river typical are not as swift. I will also set perpendicular to the flow in places where they are climbing up. Just don't wire a dive stick to your trap unless you have the trap wired off.

[Norman89]

Learned last year and this year again: ALWAYS CABLE OR TIE YOUR TRAPS DOWN! Flash flood came through and pushed two beaver traps 25 yards down creek. Took me hours to find them  now all my traps have a piece of 1/8 " cable with ring on the end. Rebar stakes keep things in place well

[jasnt]

Learned last year and this year again: ALWAYS CABLE OR TIE YOUR TRAPS DOWN! Flash flood came through and pushed two beaver traps 25 yards down creek. Took me hours to find them  now all my traps have a piece of 1/8 " cable with ring on the end. Rebar stakes keep things in place well

i just use tie-wire but yes always tether....always. Every trap, not just water sets