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So...Father, Son and Guide laying in field.All 3 shoot at the birds coming into the spread.All 3 shoot birds and do not go over each of their allowed legal limit.Is the guide shooting a BS move in this situation? Is that your question?
I think the guide should ask the hunters if they mind if he shoots too.
Guides should guide.That is what you paid for.
Thanks. Good info. Just asking because I have only paid a guide three times in 40+ years and assumed it was customary for a guide to guide and not be paid to hunt.1) It wasn't discussed upfront ... although I was told to let my son shoot first...DUH!2) Did not get his harvested birds nor did my son completely fill his limit. (Still had the time of his life)3) Were not having trouble filling our limit nor was the guide waiting for us to exhaust opportunities.4) Won't name the guide, won't name the area or the state hunted.5) EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THE HUNT WAS FIRST CLASS!
Usually the guides just shoot cripples. Or if there is poor shooting they might take some shots to achieve the limit faster. However I had a guide explain to me that they don't really like to shoot because that would be party hunting as hunters should only keep the birds they shoot. I'm not sure of the legals on this however, if the guide was shooting and keeping his own birds is see it as fine but if he is limiting the opportunity of the paying hunters then that is not cool
Quote from: bobcat on January 03, 2017, 04:15:25 PMI think the guide should ask the hunters if they mind if he shoots too. I feel like this is the way to go, and it should be made known up front before it happens. Each hunter has a bag limit. I don't waterfowl hunt and don't know what the limits are, but if it's 6 birds per person, I assume that means that each person can shoot 6 birds. I assume it doesn't mean that if there are 3 people there, 18 birds can be killed regardless of who shoots what. Am I right here? Were it me, I'd not be ok with the guide shooting until the other 2 killed their limits and a discussion was had to see if all parties wanted to stay and kill another limit.
I feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird. I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details. I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways.
Quote from: ctwiggs1 on January 03, 2017, 08:40:01 PMI feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird. I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details. I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways. This is a weird thought process in my opinion. Do you think the duck guides don't do any work to find those honey holes? Kind of like saying treestand hunters don't do any work to find their spots.
Quote from: jackelope on January 04, 2017, 10:11:00 AMQuote from: ctwiggs1 on January 03, 2017, 08:40:01 PMI feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird. I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details. I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways. This is a weird thought process in my opinion. Do you think the duck guides don't do any work to find those honey holes? Kind of like saying treestand hunters don't do any work to find their spots.Pretty big jump in your comparison (IMHO). Give waterfowl a shot in 2017 and let us know how whatcha think.Curtis
Father takes son on first time waterfowl field hunt. Son is fourteen and holding his own shooting both ducks and geese. Guide (also owner) shoots from the get go and adds his birds to overall bag. Father calls BS on this move and allows son to shoot. Hunt did not go over allowable bag limit.
Quote from: ctwiggs1 on January 03, 2017, 08:40:01 PMI feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird. I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details. I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways. I feel like you're underestimating the amount of work some guides put in. I have a close friend that is a pretty well known/successful guide in E.WA that puts in countless hours of work from sun up to sun down scouting, working with land owners to lock up leases/access, maintenance on equipment/boats, working on CRP.
Quote from: Spuddieselwwu on January 04, 2017, 10:34:47 AMQuote from: ctwiggs1 on January 03, 2017, 08:40:01 PMI feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird. I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details. I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways. I feel like you're underestimating the amount of work some guides put in. I have a close friend that is a pretty well known/successful guide in E.WA that puts in countless hours of work from sun up to sun down scouting, working with land owners to lock up leases/access, maintenance on equipment/boats, working on CRP. Sorry not trying to insult your friend, I just don't see the point in them not shooting. I've never had an issue with it. If my big game guide had a rifle along "just in case he sees a buck he likes", I would be super pissed. Curtis
Give me one good reason why he should shoot other than killing a cripple???You pay him and he hunts??LOL.
Because I don't think a beginning hunter that paid to go needs to listen to dudeman's 12 gauge barking in his ear.Probably put the kid on his right too so he could dodge shell hulls.Rookie guide in his 20's is my guess.
Quote from: ctwiggs1 on January 04, 2017, 10:44:08 AMQuote from: Spuddieselwwu on January 04, 2017, 10:34:47 AMQuote from: ctwiggs1 on January 03, 2017, 08:40:01 PMI feel like calling them guides in the first place is weird. I can't compare a duck guide to someone like Bearpaw who will spend days in the woods with someone and help him track down big game. For this reason, I see the $200-300 I spend on a waterfowl hunt as an opportunity to hunt prime area over great decoys and not have to worry about the details. I don't mind others shooting because generally speaking there are more ducks or geese than we can shoot anyways. I feel like you're underestimating the amount of work some guides put in. I have a close friend that is a pretty well known/successful guide in E.WA that puts in countless hours of work from sun up to sun down scouting, working with land owners to lock up leases/access, maintenance on equipment/boats, working on CRP. Sorry not trying to insult your friend, I just don't see the point in them not shooting. I've never had an issue with it. If my big game guide had a rifle along "just in case he sees a buck he likes", I would be super pissed. CurtisYou're not trying to insult my friend - you just said you don't think that they're guides. I was just outlining a lot of what goes into the hunt that you don't see while you're out there.