Multiple tags Drawn

[Oh Mah]

put your tag in the other state then

[bobcat]

The complaints prior to 2010 were a couple of things. First was the complaint that people were drawing permits with less than max points. So these complainers wanted a preference point system instead of the type of system we have. Well that they didn't change, and that's a good thing, in my opinion. The other complaint was the people who wanted to be able apply for antlerless permits, but didn't want to lose their points for the buck/bull hunts. This was the complaint the WDFW intended to solve with the new system, and they did. The only reason they cared about catering to these whiners was that they saw a way to sell more applications and bring in a lot more revenue. It wouldn't have been so bad if they had only created one extra category for each species- an antlerless category. In my opinion we should have buck/bull and then antlerless deer and antlerless elk, and that's it. The disabled hunter, over 65, and youth permits should all be within the antlerless categories. And there should be either a "quality" category or a "buck"/"bull" category, not both. If it was up to me I'd just call it "deer" and "elk" and then you'd have the separate antlerless category for each of those. They've made the system so unbelievably complicated, it's ridiculous. Personally I'd love to go back to the old system. I would apply for antlerless permits and draw every year and let others fight over the "quality" permits which you're lucky if you draw once every 10 years.

[Oh Mah]

i would also be 1 of the hunters putting in for cow but don't you think making bull an oil would make a huge swing in draw odds?

[bobcat]

i would also be 1 of the hunters putting in for cow but don't you think making bull an oil would make a huge swing in draw odds?

The WDFW won't do that- it would decrease the sale of applications.

[Oh Mah]

Also Bobcat you left out one of the biggest reasons for the system we have now which is the biggest reason i say the only way to go is oil. New younger hunters even if they have been hunting their entire childhood years have to start with no points and would have no chance of drawing therefore no interest and that means no future funding for the wildlife.the way it is everyone has the same chance of drawing (more points better chance but a lot of hunters get their tag with min. points) if you just have bad luck that is a personal problem.

[Oh Mah]

i would also be 1 of the hunters putting in for cow but don't you think making bull an oil would make a huge swing in draw odds?

The WDFW won't do that- it would decrease the sale of applications.

They did it with other animals.

[bobcat]

i would also be 1 of the hunters putting in for cow but don't you think making bull an oil would make a huge swing in draw odds?

The WDFW won't do that- it would decrease the sale of applications.

They did it with other animals.

That's because for those other animals there are so few opportunities that it's necessary and hunters support it. But hunters would not support it with elk. I think a good compromise would be a waiting period, if you draw a quality elk  (or quality deer) permit. Maybe five years before you can apply again?

[Oh Mah]

I like that,as long as you can still buy points  but add bull to it

[bobcat]

I like that,as long as you can still buy points 

Nope, can't buy points during a waiting period. I don't like that. Defeats the purpose of having a waiting period.

[Oh Mah]

ok i have to agree,i was advocating oil anyway. ok Bobcat draw it up hope we see it 2018 regs. 
never happen without the buying of points though  the revenue drop they would never go for so that will have to be negotiated.changing this would be like getting drawing up the ACA to many what abouts

[M_ray]

Also Bobcat you left out one of the biggest reasons for the system we have now which is the biggest reason i say the only way to go is oil. New younger hunters even if they have been hunting their entire childhood years have to start with no points and would have no chance of drawing therefore no interest and that means no future funding for the wildlife.the way it is everyone has the same chance of drawing (more points better chance but a lot of hunters get their tag with min. points) if you just have bad luck that is a personal problem.

Back the old way your dad or grandpa put you in and drew the antlerless tag 1st year and you had success right out of the gate! Now people try and get their sons and daughters involved and they cant get an antlerless tag for a few years. This leaves them first year stuck looking for a buck which we can all agree is harder to harvest and the kids can go a few years with no payoff and they loose interest. I think this has more to do with the lack of interest with future hunters than starting without points. With limiting the choice it would increase doe and cow odds and the youth and old farts would be drawing them every year.

I think everyone can see the current system is broke and not sustainable.

[Oh Mah]

bye bye elk,maybe R.M.E.F can keep us stocked  for everyone to draw.you are not looking at the big picture and i fear you wont so im done.someone from WDFW can chime in i have hogged this enough.

[M_ray]

i would also be 1 of the hunters putting in for cow but don't you think making bull an oil would make a huge swing in draw odds?

The WDFW won't do that- it would decrease the sale of applications.

Easily remedied ... lets say now you put in for 5 categories and it's 15 bucks or one that is 15 bucks you still spend the same amount and the state makes its revenue right? 

[Oh Mah]

oh i cant not reply to that.you want to make it a rich mans sport?i know its only 7.5 more but have you looked at the already rise in tag costs?

                  no matter what everyone can never agree on everything  FOR LONG

[Curly]

I have a solution to multiple permits drawn. They should let you gift it to another hunter of your choosing. That person would pay a small fee to wdfw to get the permit transfered over into their name.