Poll- non magnifying scopes on muzzle loaders?

[hunter399]

I do think hunters should be more united on such topics

The problem a scope makes it a 200 yrd rifle, so then what we add there season to modern season and have one long season.

After a lot arguments I have made about lots of changes,I'm not for a lot of changes these days.I think we're good the way it is.

[Tbar]

I told you exactly what was traditional about a muzzleloader.  I'll say it again. 

Open sights
Ignition exposed to the elements
Single shot
Loaded from the muzzle

Just like great grand pappy

Not just like great grand pappy but ok.People in WA. fought for you to use that inline.Just like they are right now for the use of scopes on muzzy,hounds for cougar,baiting for bear,the ability to still have limited baiting for elk and deer,leg hold traps, etc etc etc.You don't want so everyone can't is not how we should fight these fights

Who is fighting for scopes?  Is there organized lobbying?  OhMah are you on the GMAC?

[Oh Mah]

Yes there are people lobbying for this along with lots of other things.No i'm not in whatever GMAC is.It actually comes up here on this forum often as well.

[lazydrifter]

No different than archery.   1st we had the long bow.  Then the recurve.  Then the compound.  Went from 50% let off to 80% let off.  Mechanical releases.   sights.  lighted nocks.  carbon arrows.  Went from 30 yard shooting to 80 yard shooting.   Game cameras, thermal imaging.  Certainly not like grand dad did.

[Karl Blanchard]

Not a 200 yard weapon.  A 400+ yard weapon.  I was shooting my hawkens to 200 before an inline ever made it into my hands. 

[Oh Mah]

Not a 200 yard weapon.  A 400+ yard weapon.  I was shooting my hawkens to 200 before an inline ever made it into my hands.

You were?At deer?
What energy and fps at 200 yards were you getting with the 1 in 48 twist Hawkens anyway?

[Karl Blanchard]

Not a 200 yard weapon.  A 400+ yard weapon.  I was shooting my hawkens to 200 before an inline ever made it into my hands.

You were?At deer?
What energy and fps at 200 yards were you getting with the 1 in 48 twist Hawkens anyway?

plenty enough to plow through the side of a deer.

[Oh Mah]

Sure it does over 1000 energy i,m sure but you don't know?Its easy lets do it together 1, 2, 3, I DON'T KNOW

[Oh Mah]

Not a 200 yard weapon.  A 400+ yard weapon.  I was shooting my hawkens to 200 before an inline ever made it into my hands.

You were?At deer?
What energy and fps at 200 yards were you getting with the 1 in 48 twist Hawkens anyway?

plenty enough to plow through the side of a deer.

what kind of shot group did you usually have?

[Karl Blanchard]

Why do I need to know a number?  Numbers don't kill animals, bullets do. 

[Karl Blanchard]

Not a 200 yard weapon.  A 400+ yard weapon.  I was shooting my hawkens to 200 before an inline ever made it into my hands.

You were?At deer?
What energy and fps at 200 yards were you getting with the 1 in 48 twist Hawkens anyway?

plenty enough to plow through the side of a deer.

what kind of shot group did you usually have?

  with good wind I'll explode milk jugs until I get tired of doing it at 200.

[Karl Blanchard]

I've hunted with a front stuffer for over 2/3 of my life and killed dozens and dozens of animals with one.  I've shot thousands of rounds out of my muzzleloaders. Really not seeing how any of the above has to do with scopes.

[Oh Mah]

Why do I need to know a number?  Numbers don't kill animals, bullets do.

Oh i thought you were a long range accuracy is everything shooter that's all.You did lead me to benchmark barrels so i just assumed,carry on nothing to see here.

But since you asked why do i need to know the numbers?well if you don't know the numbers ill ask how many shots before you found the target at 200 yards?

[Karl Blanchard]

Why do I need to know a number?  Numbers don't kill animals, bullets do.

Oh i thought you were a long range accuracy is everything shooter that's all.You did lead me to benchmark barrels so i just assumed,carry on nothing to see here.

But since you asked why do i need to know the numbers?well if you don't know the numbers ill ask how many shots before you found the target at 200 yards?

don't over think it.  Large target.  Dead hold on the top.  Shoot a group and measure the drop.

It's not a precision rifle that I'm gonna chronograph and then true my ballistics on.  Go to the range and shoot.  No different than sighting it in at 100 yards.  Did you honestly think I just shot at 100 and then went out and blasted at stuff? 

Hunting is what I do.  It's all I do.  All off season is range time, scouting, research, gear upgrades.  I hunt 4-6 states a year.  Killing animals is what I do.

[Oh Mah]

More importantly you prove my point in a way.A few of the people on here were concerned that putting a scope on a muzzy would turn it into a longer range weapon.well 200 yards is quite far with or without a scope.At 300 yards a 50. cal muzzy with 48 twist can't shoot more than around 800 fp energy at 300 yards.so how does a scope change it into a long range again?