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A person commits a non-violent felony such as fraud or lying on a State or Federal governmental form, and is convicted of a felony.  This person completes their sentence.  Should 2nd Amendment rights be returned?

Yes, 2nd amendment rights should be restored immediately after the sentence has been discharged, or at least a certain number of years after the sentence has been discharged.
70 (72.9%)
No, any felon, violent or non-violent, should forever be forbidden from using, owning or possessing any firearm.
26 (27.1%)

Total Members Voted: 96

Voting closed: May 08, 2017, 07:44:44 AM

Author Topic: POLL: 2nd Amendment Gun Rights for Non-Violent Felons?  (Read 31207 times)

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Re: POLL: 2nd Amendment Gun Rights for Non-Violent Felons?
« Reply #150 on: May 09, 2017, 06:34:50 PM »
Employers run backgrounds and immediately throw flagged apps in the trash.  Now its progressed to dui and misdemeanor crimes.  Next will be Facebook posts and Huntwa posts.  See my point.  Its crazy and someday we have to put foot down and demand our rights and privacy back.  Thank you for time, YeeHaw! :chuckle:
I see no problem with that at all, its a character thing. Employers can look up Facebook posts right now anyways, its up to the applicant to decide their privacy settings. Realistically, any good employer will do this.

If I owned a mechanic shop would I want to hire a guy who 6 months ago was convicted of auto theft? No. Heck, even a DUI.

People need to be responsible for their actions. For some reason decades ago when I was growing up we knew we had to be responsible for our actions. But for some reason these days people do illegal acts and don't want to live with the ramifications.
Oh no no no.  You forget one thing-when your dad was hiring or working he didn't have a tattoo on his forehead called NO PRIVACY otherwise known as background checks which don't follow state laws or facebook, internet etc. etc.  It was VERY diferent then.  We have a system in place now which is new and not the same as it was and not better.  In the future when DNA is used to avoid medical issues will we make the same arguments?  Ya know its coming people and our children will become pariah's if they aint perfect.  Restore privacy, don't hide behind false arguments.  Employers don't have the right to invade privacy of others becausethey want to and feel they deserve too!  I am an employer and I don't do these things.
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Re: POLL: 2nd Amendment Gun Rights for Non-Violent Felons?
« Reply #151 on: May 09, 2017, 07:24:25 PM »
Employers run backgrounds and immediately throw flagged apps in the trash.  Now its progressed to dui and misdemeanor crimes.  Next will be Facebook posts and Huntwa posts.  See my point.  Its crazy and someday we have to put foot down and demand our rights and privacy back.  Thank you for time, YeeHaw! :chuckle:
I see no problem with that at all, its a character thing. Employers can look up Facebook posts right now anyways, its up to the applicant to decide their privacy settings. Realistically, any good employer will do this.

If I owned a mechanic shop would I want to hire a guy who 6 months ago was convicted of auto theft? No. Heck, even a DUI.

People need to be responsible for their actions. For some reason decades ago when I was growing up we knew we had to be responsible for our actions. But for some reason these days people do illegal acts and don't want to live with the ramifications.
Oh no no no.  You forget one thing-when your dad was hiring or working he didn't have a tattoo on his forehead called NO PRIVACY otherwise known as background checks which don't follow state laws or facebook, internet etc. etc.  It was VERY diferent then.  We have a system in place now which is new and not the same as it was and not better.  In the future when DNA is used to avoid medical issues will we make the same arguments?  Ya know its coming people and our children will become pariah's if they aint perfect.  Restore privacy, don't hide behind false arguments.  Employers don't have the right to invade privacy of others becausethey want to and feel they deserve too!  I am an employer and I don't do these things.
And if you were to apply for a job with me and didn't want me to look into your background then you can pound sand! As an employee of mine you will be representing me, so I will make sure you will represent me well. If your a felon and I don't want to hire a felon, guess what, I don't have to! If I google your name and your Facebook profile comes up with you smoking marijuana, guess what, I don't have to hire you!

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Re: POLL: 2nd Amendment Gun Rights for Non-Violent Felons?
« Reply #152 on: May 09, 2017, 07:44:13 PM »
Employers run backgrounds and immediately throw flagged apps in the trash.  Now its progressed to dui and misdemeanor crimes.  Next will be Facebook posts and Huntwa posts.  See my point.  Its crazy and someday we have to put foot down and demand our rights and privacy back.  Thank you for time, YeeHaw! :chuckle:
I see no problem with that at all, its a character thing. Employers can look up Facebook posts right now anyways, its up to the applicant to decide their privacy settings. Realistically, any good employer will do this.

If I owned a mechanic shop would I want to hire a guy who 6 months ago was convicted of auto theft? No. Heck, even a DUI.

People need to be responsible for their actions. For some reason decades ago when I was growing up we knew we had to be responsible for our actions. But for some reason these days people do illegal acts and don't want to live with the ramifications.
Oh no no no.  You forget one thing-when your dad was hiring or working he didn't have a tattoo on his forehead called NO PRIVACY otherwise known as background checks which don't follow state laws or facebook, internet etc. etc.  It was VERY diferent then.  We have a system in place now which is new and not the same as it was and not better.  In the future when DNA is used to avoid medical issues will we make the same arguments?  Ya know its coming people and our children will become pariah's if they aint perfect.  Restore privacy, don't hide behind false arguments.  Employers don't have the right to invade privacy of others becausethey want to and feel they deserve too!  I am an employer and I don't do these things.
And if you were to apply for a job with me and didn't want me to look into your background then you can pound sand! As an employee of mine you will be representing me, so I will make sure you will represent me well. If your a felon and I don't want to hire a felon, guess what, I don't have to! If I google your name and your Facebook profile comes up with you smoking marijuana, guess what, I don't have to hire you!

As an employee, I've looked into my employers  and it can be an eye opener.


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Re: POLL: 2nd Amendment Gun Rights for Non-Violent Felons?
« Reply #153 on: May 09, 2017, 08:55:57 PM »
 :(
closed add one to the yes column, of yes they should get their rights back after sentence is served.
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Re: POLL: 2nd Amendment Gun Rights for Non-Violent Felons?
« Reply #154 on: May 10, 2017, 09:00:38 AM »
Employers run backgrounds and immediately throw flagged apps in the trash.  Now its progressed to dui and misdemeanor crimes.  Next will be Facebook posts and Huntwa posts.  See my point.  Its crazy and someday we have to put foot down and demand our rights and privacy back.  Thank you for time, YeeHaw! :chuckle:
I see no problem with that at all, its a character thing. Employers can look up Facebook posts right now anyways, its up to the applicant to decide their privacy settings. Realistically, any good employer will do this.

If I owned a mechanic shop would I want to hire a guy who 6 months ago was convicted of auto theft? No. Heck, even a DUI.

People need to be responsible for their actions. For some reason decades ago when I was growing up we knew we had to be responsible for our actions. But for some reason these days people do illegal acts and don't want to live with the ramifications.
Oh no no no.  You forget one thing-when your dad was hiring or working he didn't have a tattoo on his forehead called NO PRIVACY otherwise known as background checks which don't follow state laws or facebook, internet etc. etc.  It was VERY diferent then.  We have a system in place now which is new and not the same as it was and not better.  In the future when DNA is used to avoid medical issues will we make the same arguments?  Ya know its coming people and our children will become pariah's if they aint perfect.  Restore privacy, don't hide behind false arguments.  Employers don't have the right to invade privacy of others becausethey want to and feel they deserve too!  I am an employer and I don't do these things.
And if you were to apply for a job with me and didn't want me to look into your background then you can pound sand! As an employee of mine you will be representing me, so I will make sure you will represent me well. If your a felon and I don't want to hire a felon, guess what, I don't have to! If I google your name and your Facebook profile comes up with you smoking marijuana, guess what, I don't have to hire you!
So you break the LAW?  Isnt the law 7 years or something?  Each state has own laws so its confusing but Internet searches don't follow the law?  There has to be limits to these things is my point. We have the right to check out employees of course but to what extent?  Our rights don't trump others rights do they?  Why don't we just demand their diaries too and interview friends and set up spy cameras like the CIA?
MAGA!  Again..

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Re: POLL: 2nd Amendment Gun Rights for Non-Violent Felons?
« Reply #155 on: May 10, 2017, 02:30:35 PM »
Employers run backgrounds and immediately throw flagged apps in the trash.  Now its progressed to dui and misdemeanor crimes.  Next will be Facebook posts and Huntwa posts.  See my point.  Its crazy and someday we have to put foot down and demand our rights and privacy back.  Thank you for time, YeeHaw! :chuckle:
I see no problem with that at all, its a character thing. Employers can look up Facebook posts right now anyways, its up to the applicant to decide their privacy settings. Realistically, any good employer will do this.

If I owned a mechanic shop would I want to hire a guy who 6 months ago was convicted of auto theft? No. Heck, even a DUI.

People need to be responsible for their actions. For some reason decades ago when I was growing up we knew we had to be responsible for our actions. But for some reason these days people do illegal acts and don't want to live with the ramifications.
Oh no no no.  You forget one thing-when your dad was hiring or working he didn't have a tattoo on his forehead called NO PRIVACY otherwise known as background checks which don't follow state laws or facebook, internet etc. etc.  It was VERY diferent then.  We have a system in place now which is new and not the same as it was and not better.  In the future when DNA is used to avoid medical issues will we make the same arguments?  Ya know its coming people and our children will become pariah's if they aint perfect.  Restore privacy, don't hide behind false arguments.  Employers don't have the right to invade privacy of others becausethey want to and feel they deserve too!  I am an employer and I don't do these things.
And if you were to apply for a job with me and didn't want me to look into your background then you can pound sand! As an employee of mine you will be representing me, so I will make sure you will represent me well. If your a felon and I don't want to hire a felon, guess what, I don't have to! If I google your name and your Facebook profile comes up with you smoking marijuana, guess what, I don't have to hire you!
So you break the LAW?  Isnt the law 7 years or something?  Each state has own laws so its confusing but Internet searches don't follow the law?  There has to be limits to these things is my point. We have the right to check out employees of course but to what extent?  Our rights don't trump others rights do they?  Why don't we just demand their diaries too and interview friends and set up spy cameras like the CIA?
The only law has to do with official criminal histories, not Facebook posts, tweets, web postings, etc.

Each state is different, liberal states have shorter periods, conservative states have longer periods. WA being a liberal state has a shorter period and says employers can use criminal actions within the previous 10 years. Government agencies (cities, state, school districts, etc.) are generally exempt from the 10 year period in WA and have longer periods they can go back.

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Re: POLL: 2nd Amendment Gun Rights for Non-Violent Felons?
« Reply #156 on: May 10, 2017, 05:30:56 PM »
 :) I do not believe the Federal "Jacket" is ever deleted. New information can be added. Of course I guess there could be some sort of court order about the federal jacket. I thought(I know dumb idea) that the statuate of limitations only applied to filing charges.
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