Quietcat electric assisted bike

[Special T]

Riverside archery has a couple of these, one you can demo. I took one out for a spin and the assisted power is amazing. Jason from riverside said he was able to get the bike up to nearly 30mph  in top gear and the top power assist. I'm drooling at them.

I got to test out a non powered version in Pemberton BC that had no suspension. The store owner said he had ridden his bike in a foot of snow at 3psi.

Price tag is $3050!

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[X-Force]

They look pretty sweet.

[h20hunter]

Ka Ching! $$$$

[sagerat]

Legal behind DNR gates? A lot of dough to spend to find out the answer is no.

[gaddy]

$ 3000 for a bicycle ?

[Special T]

Jason said they were legal behind the gates but you would have to get more details from him. I know he has plans to buy one personally for behind the gate hunting so I'm sure he will be up on the rules.

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[Mfowl]

Outdoor Emporium has the Rambo Bikes (same concept) and I believe they carry a lesser price tag. Something like 19 miles on electric alone. They have a cargo trailer attachment as well.

[Special T]

$ 3000 for a bicycle ?

For a high end disk brake electric assist front suspension bike that can crude in a foot of snow? I have buddies with mountain bikes that cost that much that arnt super float electric assist capable. Not saying it isn't a lot of $ but since you can't take a motor bike lots of places it's an option... and it's damned quiet.

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[Southpole]

I used to ride with some serious mountain bikers, $3000 would be on the cheap end of some of those guys' bikes. Most of the bikes were easily in the $5000 range. $3000 for a quality electric bike seems reasonable in my world  .

[highside74]

Order from cabelas for $2700

[highside74]

If you already have a bike you can order a kit with better power and range for about $1000. This is the route I'm going.

[kentrek]

So motors are legal now in non motorized areas ?

[highside74]

Non combustion have never been illegal.

[Bofire]

I am not sure, so should shut up, but, I think the weyerhauser sign at Skoomchuck says, "no motorized" vehicles of any kind except wheel chairs.
 
Carl

[highside74]

That's private property. They can make any rule they like. That doesn't make it illegal it makes it against the rules.

[X-Force]

Order from cabelas for $2700

The $2700 version doesn't have suspension and has an external motor both at riverside have suspension and an internal motor.

[highside74]

Order from cabelas for $2700

The $2700 version doesn't have suspension both at riverside do.

Good call I never noticed that and I've been lookin lately.

[kentrek]

Non combustion have never been illegal.

I believe the definition of motorized is if it has a motor.....not what type of motor it has

Just food for thought

[autopilot70]

Non combustion have never been illegal.

So, is a tesla or chevy volt ok?

[Special T]

I look forward to more details but I was pretty certain that the main concern was fire and off roading. If you look at the bike it doesn't scream motorized so I kinda doubt you would have any trouble.

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[kentrek]

I look forward to more details but I was pretty certain that the main concern was fire and off roading. If you look at the bike it doesn't scream motorized so I kinda doubt you would have any trouble.

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So it's okay if you can get away with it ?

[Stickerbush]

Nice!

[gee_unit360]

Radbike is a much better price. Take a look online I think they're $1500

[highside74]

I look forward to more details but I was pretty certain that the main concern was fire and off roading. If you look at the bike it doesn't scream motorized so I kinda doubt you would have any trouble.

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So it's okay if you can get away with it ?

   

Yes but they could pull your permit if they want.

[Alan K]

I would guess someone would be looking at a trespassing charge if the means of access used are against the landowner's rules, whether in an access permit area or not.

I don't see how it would be any different than someone getting pinched on a quad in a non-motorized area.

 

[Bullkllr]

Anyone with one of those things in a non-motorized area is cheating big time; whether you call it illegal or simply against against the rules makes no difference.

[gee_unit360]

These bikes are legal.

[Bullkllr]

These bikes are legal.

Where? On the street?

Not in NON MOTORIZED road closures. And isn't that the only place this discussion is applicable?

[highside74]

Radbike is a much better price. Take a look online I think they're $1500

Great price but a hub style motor is no comparison to a crank mounted motor. Less efficient and not as strong in the long run. If I'm tackling back roads and single track roads pulling a trailer a crank motor is they way to go.

[highside74]

These bikes are legal.

Where? On the street?

Not in NON MOTORIZED road closures. And isn't that the only place this discussion is applicable?

Well, you know how to ruin a good time.

[Special T]

I look forward to more details but I was pretty certain that the main concern was fire and off roading. If you look at the bike it doesn't scream motorized so I kinda doubt you would have any trouble.

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So it's okay if you can get away with it ?

We have had this kind of discussion before so I'll summarize it.

In the desire to be legal we have often searched for written or 100%proof what we are doing is legal, ok or whatever. When we push for this we get a strict definition and told yes or no, most likely no if we assume it's a grey area.

What is the goal/desire by the DNT or private timber holders on this issue? You may know better than I do but I will make an educated guess. Fires are a huge concern. Anything with a gas powered motor is a potential issue. The second issue I would guess is the tearing up of meadows, landscape and wet areas. If we have a pretty good idea that is why the no motorized rule is in place we understand the intent.

I'm guessing you haven't been on this bike, so if your peddling a mountain bike is it really that different?

Surely they don't want those new eletric dirtbikes out tearing things up so how do you think they will draw the line?

I've found that discretion and politeness covers most grey areas, you mileage may vary.

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[highside74]

I look forward to more details but I was pretty certain that the main concern was fire and off roading. If you look at the bike it doesn't scream motorized so I kinda doubt you would have any trouble.

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So it's okay if you can get away with it ?

We have had this kind of discussion before so I'll summarize it.

In the desire to be legal we have often searched for written or 100%proof what we are doing is legal, ok or whatever. When we push for this we get a strict definition and told yes or no, most likely no if we assume it's a grey area.

What is the goal/desire by the DNT or private timber holders on this issue? You may know better than I do but I will make an educated guess. Fires are a huge concern. Anything with a gas powered motor is a potential issue. The second issue I would guess is the tearing up of meadows, landscape and wet areas. If we have a pretty good idea that is why the no motorized rule is in place we understand the intent.

I'm guessing you haven't been on this bike, so if your peddling a mountain bike is it really that different?

Surely they don't want those new eletric dirtbikes out tearing things up so how do you think they will draw the line?

I've found that discretion and politeness covers most grey areas, you mileage may vary.

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Actually  there is a lawsuit filed by a disabled women from Klickitat County because the US Forest Service considered her ebike a motorized vehicle and limited it to only road systems and trails allowed by jeeps and dirtbikes. It's  spelled out in the Seattle times article plain as day. They consider an electric motor a motor at this time. We will see where it ends up.

[mikeybuck]

I guess if I'm gonna get a ticket, I might as well use my dirt bike. Same ticket and it took me less energy to make it to the top of the hill.

[highside74]

I guess if I'm gonna get a ticket, I might as well use my dirt bike. Same ticket and it took me less energy to make it to the top of the hill.

And you don't have to go buy an electric bike. I like it.

[Southpole]

I don't think I has to be on electric all the time, there's still pedals 

[Special T]

I look forward to more details but I was pretty certain that the main concern was fire and off roading. If you look at the bike it doesn't scream motorized so I kinda doubt you would have any trouble.

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So it's okay if you can get away with it ?

We have had this kind of discussion before so I'll summarize it.

In the desire to be legal we have often searched for written or 100%proof what we are doing is legal, ok or whatever. When we push for this we get a strict definition and told yes or no, most likely no if we assume it's a grey area.

What is the goal/desire by the DNT or private timber holders on this issue? You may know better than I do but I will make an educated guess. Fires are a huge concern. Anything with a gas powered motor is a potential issue. The second issue I would guess is the tearing up of meadows, landscape and wet areas. If we have a pretty good idea that is why the no motorized rule is in place we understand the intent.

I'm guessing you haven't been on this bike, so if your peddling a mountain bike is it really that different?

Surely they don't want those new eletric dirtbikes out tearing things up so how do you think they will draw the line?

I've found that discretion and politeness covers most grey areas, you mileage may vary.

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Actually  there is a lawsuit filed by a disabled women from Klickitat County because the US Forest Service considered her ebike a motorized vehicle and limited it to only road systems and trails allowed by jeeps and dirtbikes. It's  spelled out in the Seattle times article plain as day. They consider an electric motor a motor at this time. We will see where it ends up.

Interesting haven't heard of that.

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[highside74]

And the Washington WAC states an Ebike is excluded from being a scooter or motorcycle but to be considered a nonmotorized vehicle the electric motor would have to be disengaged. So you would have to leave the battery in the truck which kinda defeats the purpose of having an Ebike.

[kentrek]

Please raise your hand if your going to pedal one of these 70 pound bikes with out the assist on.....good luck !

[Bullkllr]

Well, here's what Hancock says about it:

"17. No off-road vehicles,
electric bicycles, ATVs, motorcycles or snowmobiles are allowed, not even in the back of the pick-up." 

Weyerhaeuser Rules state:
"• No ATV, ORVs, motorcycles or motor-assisted bicycles"

DNR:
"Motor vehicle or motorized vehicle" means any device that is moved or propelled by an internal combustion engine or electrically powered motor. It shall include, but not be limited to automobiles, trucks, motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles, motor bikes, motor-scooters and off-road vehicles, whether or not they can be licensed to operate on public roads. The term does not include vessels or personal mobility assistive devices, such as wheelchairs.
"Nonmotorized vehicles" means any device that is moved or propelled by means other than an internal combustion engine or electrically powered motor, including but not limited to bicycles, roller blades, mountain boards, animal drawn carriages or conveyances, excluding vessels and personal mobility assistive devices, such as wheelchairs.

As stated above, USFS rules seem pretty clear.

That does not leave a lot of options where these motor vehicles would be permitted. Pretty sure the cat's already out of the bag on the motor-bike deal.

IMO, these rules are in place in gated areas for more reasons than fire prevention; quality of the experience and leaving some areas for those who are willing to work under their own power to get there come to mind.

[highside74]

Maybe Riverside will find a buyer from Idaho. Pretty much leaves Washington out of the Ebike hunting market.

[branches]

That bike could work good as a shuttle for your drift boat.