Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras

[lord grizzly]

the irony is your replying on such an advanced machine that didn't exist with the amount of power they have now just a few short years ago. all the evidence you need of what's to come is literally under your fingers as you reply but you still can t see it. amazing..

What is ironic is how you do not consider 1000 yard weapons and optics worthy of the same argument that you are using for cellular cams.   

I haven't stated any opinion on long range shooting. What I've said is range finders don't remotely send you pictures. Pretty sure I got that one right. I e also said it's ok to have separate discussions about separate items. And it is. But again if you can't find a coherent leg to stand on change the subject and put words in someone's mouth for them. You must live in western Washington

[hunter399]

It's certainly not the end of the world if cams are outlawed, the reason I stand against it is for the reasons I have stated. In the end there will be hunters wondering why other hunters took away their trail cams just like I am still wondering why other hunters voted against me being able to hunt hounds, bait, trap, and hunt coyotes with dogs in WA. It saddens me every time I see hunters lose the ability to do something they enjoy because i've been that guy too many times. Yes, Montana outlawed trail cams, it really don't affect me or my Montana business but I know guys who wished they could still use their trail cams in Montana!

Yes keep going on about bear baiting and hound hunting I wish we could also.Thank the people on the coast,and the way people view it in the public eye of non hunters.I know eastern Washington didn't want to ban it.

There were hunters right here in Colville where I live that voted against hounds and baiting, they told me they did, they were proud of their vote and that it passed, it appeared they enjoyed rubbing it in, I will never forget that! That remains a constant reminder to me of how hunters will turn on each other based on their own personal views! Unfortunately the division runs deep among hunters as can be seen in this topic! A good portion of hunters want to take trail cams away from the other hunters who use them "because of the way they view the use of cams" in spite of how actual users have stated they actually use cams! Oh well, that is the world we live in, if you enjoy something do it to the fullest while you can, there is someone out there who wants to stop what you enjoy doing!

Just some fun facts about bear baiting and hound hunting.

Stevens
Yes/No   Votes
No   9461
Yes   6985

Pend Oreille
Yes/No   Votes
No   2485
Yes   2428

Spokane
Yes/No   Votes
Yes   99834
No   56757

Ferry
Yes/No   Votes
No   1722
Yes   1112

It was spokane county that hurt us most in that election for eastern Washington.
What can be abused-will be abused , And the rest will suffer.
"because of the way they view the use of cams"
Cause of the few that will abuse it ,not the way we view it.
Trail cams are great,but cell trail cams have taken it to a whole new level of what fair chase really means.

Do you personally use cell cams?  If so, what level are you referring to?  So lets say a hunter is sitting at home, or eating breakfast in town, whatever.  A picture taken on a regular cam of say a deer is stored on a card until the hunter pulls the card and actually views it.  A cell cam transmits the picture to a cell phone via email or app and also stores it on a card.  By the time the individual get to the cell cam he has two pictures, one on his phone and one on his card.  Advantage...one extra picture.

The level I'm talking about is .
Let me ask this question .
I'm gonna buy a cell trail cam ,put it about 10 min or less from my house on public land ,when I get the pic of the deer I want ,in gonna go there and shoot it , then post it up here on this forum ,are you ok with that?

[bearpaw]

For what it's worth, this is the real enjoyment I get from my cellular cams. First fawn on the property that I've seen.  Mama looks sleek and healthy from all the feed available the last two months.  I 've seen what the local deer look like in comparison.

Picture taken about an hour ago.  Didn't see it until now, as I was too busy playing here .

You have planted food plots to attract wildlife and now they are visiting your property, I know that as soon as you see a big buck on your cell phone you are going to drop what you are doing and drive as fast as you can to get there and shoot that buck. By golly you are cheating me out of opportunity plus that's not fair chase in my eyes, I want to ban your food plots and your trail cam because I think you are destroying the image of hunting. Shame on you! 

[bearpaw]

It's certainly not the end of the world if cams are outlawed, the reason I stand against it is for the reasons I have stated. In the end there will be hunters wondering why other hunters took away their trail cams just like I am still wondering why other hunters voted against me being able to hunt hounds, bait, trap, and hunt coyotes with dogs in WA. It saddens me every time I see hunters lose the ability to do something they enjoy because i've been that guy too many times. Yes, Montana outlawed trail cams, it really don't affect me or my Montana business but I know guys who wished they could still use their trail cams in Montana!

Yes keep going on about bear baiting and hound hunting I wish we could also.Thank the people on the coast,and the way people view it in the public eye of non hunters.I know eastern Washington didn't want to ban it.

There were hunters right here in Colville where I live that voted against hounds and baiting, they told me they did, they were proud of their vote and that it passed, it appeared they enjoyed rubbing it in, I will never forget that! That remains a constant reminder to me of how hunters will turn on each other based on their own personal views! Unfortunately the division runs deep among hunters as can be seen in this topic! A good portion of hunters want to take trail cams away from the other hunters who use them "because of the way they view the use of cams" in spite of how actual users have stated they actually use cams! Oh well, that is the world we live in, if you enjoy something do it to the fullest while you can, there is someone out there who wants to stop what you enjoy doing!

Just some fun facts about bear baiting and hound hunting.

Stevens
Yes/No   Votes
No   9461
Yes   6985

Pend Oreille
Yes/No   Votes
No   2485
Yes   2428

Spokane
Yes/No   Votes
Yes   99834
No   56757

Ferry
Yes/No   Votes
No   1722
Yes   1112

It was spokane county that hurt us most in that election for eastern Washington.
What can be abused-will be abused , And the rest will suffer.
"because of the way they view the use of cams"
Cause of the few that will abuse it ,not the way we view it.
Trail cams are great,but cell trail cams have taken it to a whole new level of what fair chase really means.

Do you personally use cell cams?  If so, what level are you referring to?  So lets say a hunter is sitting at home, or eating breakfast in town, whatever.  A picture taken on a regular cam of say a deer is stored on a card until the hunter pulls the card and actually views it.  A cell cam transmits the picture to a cell phone via email or app and also stores it on a card.  By the time the individual get to the cell cam he has two pictures, one on his phone and one on his card.  Advantage...one extra picture.

The level I'm talking about is .
Let me ask this question .
I'm gonna buy a cell trail cam ,put it about 10 min or less from my house on public land ,when I get the pic of the deer I want ,in gonna go there and shoot it , then post it up here on this forum ,are you ok with that?

I'm fine with that. I figure if you are a good enough hunter to sneak in on that deer while he's at the feeder you are probably a good enough to stalk a deer under many other circumstances such as while he's in an alfalfa field, meaning you would kill a deer one way or another. Thus there is no biological reason to outlaw the camera.

[lord grizzly]

Do you know what group coined the term fair chase? If you do it's really pretty funny when you take jabs at " not my idea of fair chase" because the group that created that term doesn't think so either. It's back a couple pages if you wanna go look

[Bob33]

One of the most famous hunts illustrating fair chase was in 1902, when President Theodore Roosevelt went to Mississippi to hunt black bear. When Roosevelt failed to locate a bear on his own, his hunting guide took it upon himself to corner and tie a bear to a tree, and then summoned the President. Being excluded from the actual pursuit and being expected to shoot the helpless black bear was unacceptable to Roosevelt. He found the entire situation extremely unsportsmanlike. The news of this event spread quickly through newspaper articles across the country. In showing his passion for the hunt itself by imposing his own rules of ethical engagement, Roosevelt provided a simple but powerful example of fair chase to a nation who was largely unfamiliar with the concept. This famous hunt also resulted in the birth of the world’s most popular toy – the Teddy Bear.

[JimmyHoffa]

kind of like an apple fed, pet mega-bull in your backyard pasture?

[lord grizzly]

What does that have to do with anything?

[Bob33]

kind of like an apple fed, pet mega-bull in your backyard pasture?

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Do you know what group coined the term fair chase? If you do it's really pretty funny when you take jabs at " not my idea of fair chase" because the group that created that term doesn't think so either. It's back a couple pages if you wanna go look

The coining of the term is credited to TR.

[lord grizzly]

Do you know what group coined the term fair chase? If you do it's really pretty funny when you take jabs at " not my idea of fair chase" because the group that created that term doesn't think so either. It's back a couple pages if you wanna go look

The coining of the term is credited to TR.

And who started Boone & Crocket?

[Machias]

It's certainly not the end of the world if cams are outlawed, the reason I stand against it is for the reasons I have stated. In the end there will be hunters wondering why other hunters took away their trail cams just like I am still wondering why other hunters voted against me being able to hunt hounds, bait, trap, and hunt coyotes with dogs in WA. It saddens me every time I see hunters lose the ability to do something they enjoy because i've been that guy too many times. Yes, Montana outlawed trail cams, it really don't affect me or my Montana business but I know guys who wished they could still use their trail cams in Montana!

Yes keep going on about bear baiting and hound hunting I wish we could also.Thank the people on the coast,and the way people view it in the public eye of non hunters.I know eastern Washington didn't want to ban it.

There were hunters right here in Colville where I live that voted against hounds and baiting, they told me they did, they were proud of their vote and that it passed, it appeared they enjoyed rubbing it in, I will never forget that! That remains a constant reminder to me of how hunters will turn on each other based on their own personal views! Unfortunately the division runs deep among hunters as can be seen in this topic! A good portion of hunters want to take trail cams away from the other hunters who use them "because of the way they view the use of cams" in spite of how actual users have stated they actually use cams! Oh well, that is the world we live in, if you enjoy something do it to the fullest while you can, there is someone out there who wants to stop what you enjoy doing!

Just some fun facts about bear baiting and hound hunting.

Stevens
Yes/No   Votes
No   9461
Yes   6985

Pend Oreille
Yes/No   Votes
No   2485
Yes   2428

Spokane
Yes/No   Votes
Yes   99834
No   56757

Ferry
Yes/No   Votes
No   1722
Yes   1112

It was spokane county that hurt us most in that election for eastern Washington.
What can be abused-will be abused , And the rest will suffer.
"because of the way they view the use of cams"
Cause of the few that will abuse it ,not the way we view it.
Trail cams are great,but cell trail cams have taken it to a whole new level of what fair chase really means.

Do you personally use cell cams?  If so, what level are you referring to?  So lets say a hunter is sitting at home, or eating breakfast in town, whatever.  A picture taken on a regular cam of say a deer is stored on a card until the hunter pulls the card and actually views it.  A cell cam transmits the picture to a cell phone via email or app and also stores it on a card.  By the time the individual get to the cell cam he has two pictures, one on his phone and one on his card.  Advantage...one extra picture.

The level I'm talking about is .
Let me ask this question .
I'm gonna buy a cell trail cam ,put it about 10 min or less from my house on public land ,when I get the pic of the deer I want ,in gonna go there and shoot it , then post it up here on this forum ,are you ok with that?

I'll save you the trouble, you can borrow my wireless trail camera, that way you don't have to spend your money.  Heck I'll tell you what.  I will show you exactly where my bear bait is.  I'll add your e-mail address to the system so you are alerted the instant a bear walks in.  You can go try and kill it.  $100 bucks you can't kill a bear off of my bait!

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Do you know what group coined the term fair chase? If you do it's really pretty funny when you take jabs at " not my idea of fair chase" because the group that created that term doesn't think so either. It's back a couple pages if you wanna go look

The coining of the term is credited to TR.

And who started Boone & Crocket?

TR... but I'm pretty sure he wasn't against game cams that sent photos to cell phones. 

[KFhunter]

Leopold, TR and some other dudes

[KFhunter]

I'll save you the trouble, you can borrow my wireless trail camera, that way you don't have to spend your money.  Heck I'll tell you what.  I will show you exactly where my bear bait is.  I'll add your e-mail address to the system so you are alerted the instant a bear walks in.  You can go try and kill it.  $100 bucks you can't kill a bear off of my bait!

I'll take that bet, no I won't win that $100 bucks but by golly I'll kill the next bear that walks in