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Quote from: hunter399 on December 30, 2017, 07:44:10 PMWhat I don't get is you choose a primitive weapon,to hunt with,then u wanna complain about it,something that was your own choice to begin with.I say go for it add 209 primers then go ahead and add scopes to muzzle loaders,then just add your season to modern firearm,cause keep complaining and that's what you might get . It is not a primitive weapons season it is a short range weapon season! Primitive ML's are not required. The State makes requirements to limit the ability of the ML to a true short range rifle.
What I don't get is you choose a primitive weapon,to hunt with,then u wanna complain about it,something that was your own choice to begin with.I say go for it add 209 primers then go ahead and add scopes to muzzle loaders,then just add your season to modern firearm,cause keep complaining and that's what you might get .
Quote from: Sabotloader on December 30, 2017, 07:50:33 PMQuote from: hunter399 on December 30, 2017, 07:44:10 PMWhat I don't get is you choose a primitive weapon,to hunt with,then u wanna complain about it,something that was your own choice to begin with.I say go for it add 209 primers then go ahead and add scopes to muzzle loaders,then just add your season to modern firearm,cause keep complaining and that's what you might get . It is not a primitive weapons season it is a short range weapon season! Primitive ML's are not required. The State makes requirements to limit the ability of the ML to a true short range rifle.The State's rules for muzzleloaders have nothing to do with range. Has everything to do with using modern contrivances to make them more efficient or accurate.
Not to mention dangerous hangfires that could wound animals and send bullets where they weren't intended. I remember reading a thread a while ago about a guy shooting the antler off his buck then killing it later with a hangfire. Luckily he didn't wound it
You may not call it weak. But those that have seen the advantages of 209 ignition systems sure call it weak.Your state-game regulators field call all the time and many are complaints. Then when the complaints start sounding the same over & over & over, they begin to take surveys, begin to folder those same complaints - then begin to have meetings on those same complaints..Then they begin to address how to fix those complaints. So what you have in Washington is irate hunters who want a better ignition system implemented.If you like yours, then keep it. You obviously haven't been stung yet - meaning your ML hasn't failed to fire the powder, with an 8-pt buck standing 20 yards in front of you.I hope your luck continues. But never tell those who were stung that their ignition source wasn't the problem - wasn't the reason why their gun didn't go bang.If you do, then hopefully they don't punch you in the noggin for telling them it was their fault -- when in truth, it was the State Of Washington's fault for being behind the times.
Yes! If you hunt muzzy and don't like 209 then don't use them. If you don't hunt muzzy then why do you care what I use? If it makes it more "modern" then stop rifle hunting and switch to muzzy. I don't archery hunt, but why would I vote no to lighted knocks and expandable broad heads? If you want to use them then go for it. If you don't then don't. Why would I care what you use as long as its not illegal?
Before I went to Virginia in 2012 I would have voted no. I voted yes. I've never been to a state that pits it's user groups against each other like this state does. Pretty sad really, pit each user group against each other and cram everyone into certain GMUs, so more over crowding goes on. Amazing.
I have found a few articals on this subject,a lot of you are saying you want reliable ignition ,but you are failing to mention that with a hoter primer will allow you to shoot longer ranges with more powders that like hot primers.so I'm kinda calling bs on the reliable ignition after reading most of this thread.here's the artical,more fps means less drop in my mind.http://www.namlhunt.com/mlprimers.htmlThis is also new muzzleloader that just came out ,and can be coverted to 209 primers.I know this does not have ignition exposed.but I bet most of you guys wish you could use it.https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2014/4/29/remingtons-300-yard-muzzleloader/This is no direspect but you will get more bang for your buck, long range with better ignition.Just like any rifle primers.So I still say no 209 .