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Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« on: November 15, 2017, 12:23:49 PM »
I am passing this along without comment. Not even an emoji.

http://www.hcn.org/articles/opinion-hunters-its-long-past-time-we-stood-up-for-gun-control

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2017, 12:28:06 PM »
I do not care for this article.  Are cars outlawed when operators have accidents or hit things on purpose.  No, it's the operator that has his license revoked or is put in jail.   It's not the gun causing the problem, it's the the wrong people having access to the guns.

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2017, 12:42:32 PM »
I am passing this along without comment. Not even an emoji.

http://www.hcn.org/articles/opinion-hunters-its-long-past-time-we-stood-up-for-gun-control

High country news often carries anti gun articles and supports shutting down hunting seasons among some of their causes. It is a left wing rag with self important writers that consider themselves social justice warriors and write articles with no research or facts just their emotions. They are left wing, tree hugging, anti logging, anti oil, pro wolf, anti gun, anti hunting, anti rancher, white people are racist  kooks etc and are trying to change western culture to align with their whacky urban left wing  beliefs. 

we have a few members on here that would enjoy their publication :chuckle:

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2017, 12:43:35 PM »
Lol the author works for ecologyprogect.org helping teach the youth about the environment.

"Throughout our courses, participants explore the complexities of land management and the process of collaborative decision making. They arrive as inquisitive youth and leave as empowered, inspired conservation leaders."

Plenty of emphasis of the great benefits of reintruced species for the betterment of all....lol

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2017, 12:54:23 PM »
"As a sportsman, I have to say that its long past time for us to stand up in support of stricter gun control laws. "

"As an elitist, I ......" is how he should have started this paragraph in his "opinion" piece!!

We have TO MANY gun control laws on the books now!!  The ones that would work are never enforced!!

He should really get back into reality more often!!
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2017, 01:13:22 PM »
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it's the the wrong people having access to the guns.

Right.

And so... The way to stop the wrong people from having access is...? I'm fascinated to hear solutions that don't involve changing gun laws to be smarter and better. The idea that ANY gun control simply can't work, or that no legal changes should be done to better ensure that dangerous people don't get guns, to me just seems laughably boneheaded and stupid.

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2017, 01:14:18 PM »
I'd be willing to bet that the knucklehead author is a progressive liberal Democrat and/or a proud member of Backcountry Hunters & Anglers (BHA).

Just sayin'.  ;)
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2017, 01:18:06 PM »
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it's the the wrong people having access to the guns.

Right.

And so... The way to stop the wrong people from having access is...? I'm fascinated to hear solutions that don't involve changing gun laws to be smarter and better. The idea that ANY gun control simply can't work, or that no legal changes should be done to better ensure that dangerous people don't get guns, to me just seems laughably boneheaded and stupid.

Rather than those of us that don't even remotely agree with you, why don't you proffer up some gun control ideas?
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2017, 01:23:53 PM »
We risk losing our freedom from violence. God, what a complete turd article.
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2017, 01:28:41 PM »
God, what a complete turd article.

Succinct.  :chuckle: :tup:
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2017, 01:38:21 PM »
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it's the the wrong people having access to the guns.

Right.

And so... The way to stop the wrong people from having access is...? I'm fascinated to hear solutions that don't involve changing gun laws to be smarter and better. The idea that ANY gun control simply can't work, or that no legal changes should be done to better ensure that dangerous people don't get guns, to me just seems laughably boneheaded and stupid.


It's not that any can't work - although that is ultimately proven true as those places with the most strict gun laws have the highest murder rates - it's that they don't even attempt to faithfully enforce the laws already on the books, and it largely results in those laws being just another burden on the lawful exercise of a constitutionally protected liberty.


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It doesn't.  Instead, I continue, but slap you in the face harder and with increasing frequency, promising that if you pay me $50, I will stop slapping you in the face.  So you relent again, and I continue slapping your face. 

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2017, 01:41:32 PM »
Pretty simple solution

Start prosecuting all gun crimes on the state and federal level. State prosecutors often drop firearms charges in order to get pleas. On the federal level they need more AUSA's to prosecute federal firearms crimes and beef up straw purchasing laws. Just look to Chicago and to why they have such a massive firearms problem with such strict laws.

During the past 8 years Obama's DOJ changed federal sentencing guidelines and 1000's of violent and dangerous criminals were released early because certain ethnic groups committing crimes were wrongly over represented in our prisons. Obama claimed it was because of racist cops and prosecutors. You can see an uptick in violent crime the past few years due to these early releases. Violent crime has been dropping the past 30 or so years and that is changing now.   

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it's the the wrong people having access to the guns.

Right.

And so... The way to stop the wrong people from having access is...? I'm fascinated to hear solutions that don't involve changing gun laws to be smarter and better. The idea that ANY gun control simply can't work, or that no legal changes should be done to better ensure that dangerous people don't get guns, to me just seems laughably boneheaded and stupid.

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2017, 01:53:33 PM »
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it's the the wrong people having access to the guns.

Right.

And so... The way to stop the wrong people from having access is...? I'm fascinated to hear solutions that don't involve changing gun laws to be smarter and better. The idea that ANY gun control simply can't work, or that no legal changes should be done to better ensure that dangerous people don't get guns, to me just seems laughably boneheaded and stupid.

You realize there's never been a safer time to be alive on this planet, right? You realize you're buying into a hysteria completely created to make you think you're in danger, right?
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2017, 02:42:55 PM »
It's an opinion piece.  About which I have a dissenting opinion. 
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2017, 03:06:39 PM »
High Country News..........i wonder if it's a requirement to be high when writing articles to contribute to the publication? :dunno:
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2017, 03:15:40 PM »
"Despite what the NRA might have us believe, hunting is not under attack, but our freedom from violence is."

Hunting is not under attack huh? Wow...that's news to me.

"..but our freedom from violence is."
Well, yes I would agree with that. Meaning, our right to protect ourselves from violence, by lawfully using our 2 amendment rights, is under attack. In fact, in this very article.

I would like to know how many suicides they think would be stopped if they took away guns? I am willing to bet...zero.
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2017, 05:49:39 PM »
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it's the the wrong people having access to the guns.

Right.

And so... The way to stop the wrong people from having access is...? I'm fascinated to hear solutions that don't involve changing gun laws to be smarter and better. The idea that ANY gun control simply can't work, or that no legal changes should be done to better ensure that dangerous people don't get guns, to me just seems laughably boneheaded and stupid.

... is don't let them have them.

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2017, 08:24:28 PM »
Pretty simple solution

Start prosecuting all gun crimes on the state and federal level. State prosecutors often drop firearms charges in order to get pleas. On the federal level they need more AUSA's to prosecute federal firearms crimes and beef up straw purchasing laws. Just look to Chicago and to why they have such a massive firearms problem with such strict laws.

During the past 8 years Obama's DOJ changed federal sentencing guidelines and 1000's of violent and dangerous criminals were released early because certain ethnic groups committing crimes were wrongly over represented in our prisons. Obama claimed it was because of racist cops and prosecutors. You can see an uptick in violent crime the past few years due to these early releases. Violent crime has been dropping the past 30 or so years and that is changing now.   

I do not think this will slow the quest for gun laws. There seems to be no real push for gun laws based on one on one crimes. It all hits the fan though when one of these kooks shoots up a church or school or concert.
I have not heard any plan I thought would stop these incidents. If somebody comes up with something short of a Police State I would love to hear it and I think it would quell the agitation for gun control.
I am starting to feel we will end up with some type of gun control laws if these mass shooting incidents keep happening. It is inevitable because people are gong to demand something be done even if it is wrong.
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2017, 08:51:56 PM »
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it's the the wrong people having access to the guns.

Right.

And so... The way to stop the wrong people from having access is...? I'm fascinated to hear solutions that don't involve changing gun laws to be smarter and better. The idea that ANY gun control simply can't work, or that no legal changes should be done to better ensure that dangerous people don't get guns, to me just seems laughably boneheaded and stupid.

... is don't let them have them.
And don't let them have vehicles or knives or ......  There's just some real crazies running around because some people think they can rehab them with drugs and integration.  What do you do with legit crazies?  Back in the day, they went to the institution and were written off.

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2017, 05:08:26 AM »
I'd be willing to bet that the knucklehead author is a progressive liberal Democrat and/or a proud member of Backcountry Hunters & Anglers (BHA).

Just sayin'.  ;)
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I don't know what the answer is to save lives and protect people from.being senselessly slaughtered.  It certainly starts with enforcement of the existing rules.  Another high capacity magazine ban might help crazy folks from being so effective. 

 


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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2017, 06:05:02 AM »
Please no namecalling, you can have dissenting opinions and still follow the forum rules.
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2017, 06:31:07 AM »
Crazy people are the problem, guns are just a tool for them to use. If there were no guns it would be cars like was used in New York City, or knives like were used in that attack in China, or homemade bombs like are used in Europe, or anything else that can be used as a lethal weapon by the crazies to take lives. In many cases the crazies are known, but society fails to protect us from them.

My view is that most of these incidents could have been stopped by a good guy with a gun. In fact the Texas massacre was stopped by a good guy with a gun or it would have been worse. The author is obviously a left wing progressive who wants to push his views on the rest of us. They take young children, brainwash them with their left wing views, and turn them into social justice warriors. The author would likely rather have it where people are dependent on the police to respond, we all see how that has been working. I think the answer is for more Americans to arm themselves, proper firearms handling should be taught in schools and community centers, most citizens should be licensed to conceal carry.

You don't see the crazies walking into a police station or a gun club and trying to do one of these mass shootings, they know they wouldn't get far! Instead they purposely pick places where they can kill the most people before being stopped! :twocents:
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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2017, 06:38:46 AM »
Crazy people are the problem, guns are just a tool for them to use. If there were no guns it would be cars like was used in New York City, or knives like were used in that attack in China, or homemade bombs like are used in Europe, or anything else that can be used as a lethal weapon by the crazies to take lives. In many cases the crazies are known, but society fails to protect us from them.

My view is that most of these incidents could have been stopped by a good guy with a gun. In fact the Texas massacre was stopped by a good guy with a gun or it would have been worse. The author is obviously a left wing progressive who wants to push his views on the rest of us. They take young children, brainwash them with their left wing views, and turn them into social justice warriors. The author would likely rather have it where people are dependent on the police to respond, we all see how that has been working. I think the answer is for more Americans to arm themselves, proper firearms handling should be taught in schools and community centers, most citizens should be licensed to conceal carry.

You don't see the crazies walking into a police station or a gun club and trying to do one of these mass shootings, they know they wouldn't get far! Instead they purposely pick places where they can kill the most people before being stopped! :twocents:

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2017, 06:55:44 AM »
Crazy people are the problem, guns are just a tool for them to use. If there were no guns it would be cars like was used in New York City, or knives like were used in that attack in China, or homemade bombs like are used in Europe, or anything else that can be used as a lethal weapon by the crazies to take lives. In many cases the crazies are known, but society fails to protect us from them.

My view is that most of these incidents could have been stopped by a good guy with a gun. In fact the Texas massacre was stopped by a good guy with a gun or it would have been worse. The author is obviously a left wing progressive who wants to push his views on the rest of us. They take young children, brainwash them with their left wing views, and turn them into social justice warriors. The author would likely rather have it where people are dependent on the police to respond, we all see how that has been working. I think the answer is for more Americans to arm themselves, proper firearms handling should be taught in schools and community centers, most citizens should be licensed to conceal carry.

You don't see the crazies walking into a police station or a gun club and trying to do one of these mass shootings, they know they wouldn't get far! Instead they purposely pick places where they can kill the most people before being stopped! :twocents:

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Wait .....I thought there where already laws against killing people. And those gun free zone signs.....those don't stop the bad guys????? Weird.

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Re: Plea: Hunters should support gun control?
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2017, 06:58:32 AM »
Well said, Dale.


Just this morning on the news, there is a story of another individual, apparently suffering from depression, perhaps medicated, perhaps not properly, was arrested for making threats and violent remarks against a Seattle church.  And this was apparently after he made similar threats to another church earlier, but at an indeterminate date. Q13. 

It appears existing laws are sufficient, if enforced, to get the guy off the street and evaluated.

In another story, a law is proceeding through Congress to ensure proper reporting to NCIC for the various acts constituting prohibited possessor categories.* 

Both of such classes of laws I support, in principle, but that goes against the narrative that firearms owners do not support so called gun control.  That said, I also think that restoration of rights should be more uniform and readily available.


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