New Dodge 2017 3500 BigHorn Opinion?

[Tjkride]

So I will be picking up my new 2017 Big Horn on Tuesday. Has a 6.7 cummins, crew cab, 6.4 bed. Plenty of room for the dogs and kids and can haul my horse trailers fine. This is my first new vehicle as I always buy things I can wprk on myself. With all this new electronic and exhaust additive did I jump into a world of expensive or since I average 50,000 miles a year and dont idle my trucks much will I be ok? Im still trying to convince myself $56,000.00 was ok to spend and not have heart failure.

[Boss .300 winmag]

So I will be picking up my new 2017 Big Horn on Tuesday. Has a 6.7 cummins, crew cab, 6.4 bed. Plenty of room for the dogs and kids and can haul my horse trailers fine. This is my first new vehicle as I always buy things I can wprk on myself. With all this new electronic and exhaust additive did I jump into a world of expensive or since I average 50,000 miles a year and dont idle my trucks much will I be ok? Im still trying to convince myself $56,000.00 was ok to spend and not have heart failure.

If I recall jackelope said idling DEF diesels wasn’t a good idea for long periods.

@jackelope

[RB]

Fuel economy is not as good as older years is the biggest complaint I have. Bought the same truck in May of 2017, I had a 1999 3/4 ton quad-cab with a 5 speed and could go way further. Case in point I live in Arlington and make the trip to Republic usually once a year. I could leave home drive to Republic drive around for two or three days and then to Omak to fuel up on the way home. This year was the first time I had to fill up in Republic and was low when I got home.

I know everyone has an opinion about warranties but i believe they are a good investment. when the time comes purchase an extended warranty to cover the electronics is my  :two cents:

Where are you purchasing your truck?

Bought mine at Dave Smith flew over got picked up by them and drove home same day, easiest vehicle deal I have ever done!

[Magnum_Willys]

Sweet Rig, get in, turn key, no worries for years.  That's worth it to me.  Love driving a new Ram. 

[Tjkride]

Larson in Puyallup is the dealer. I just want it to live up to my expectations. The wife is happy it has a sunroof.

[KFhunter]

I'm going to get one a few years old and desmog and uncork it

[Boss .300 winmag]

I'm going to get one a few years old and desmog and uncork it

I heard somewhere last week if you do this you can fined if caught, and dealerships that work on these, or don’t turn you in can get fined.

Any truth to this anybody?

[jackelope]

I'm going to get one a few years old and desmog and uncork it

I heard somewhere last week if you do this you can fined if caught, and dealerships that work on these, or don’t turn you in can get fined.

Any truth to this anybody?

Probably a non issue where KF lives. Shops aren’t supposed to work on them if they’ve been deleted. Big fines for the shops.

[dewandgin]

I'm going to get one a few years old and desmog and uncork it

I heard somewhere last week if you do this you can fined if caught, and dealerships that work on these, or don’t turn you in can get fined.

Any truth to this anybody?

We will not work on a vehicle with altered emissions. To big of fines and to many issues.

[jackelope]

And I’m not sure if I’d be interested in spending a ton of dough and risking the warranty on a $15-20k engine All for a few mpg’s.

[jackelope]

I'm going to get one a few years old and desmog and uncork it

I heard somewhere last week if you do this you can fined if caught, and dealerships that work on these, or don’t turn you in can get fined.

Any truth to this anybody?

We will not work on a vehicle with altered emissions. To big of fines and to many issues.

Ditto...

[jackelope]

So I will be picking up my new 2017 Big Horn on Tuesday. Has a 6.7 cummins, crew cab, 6.4 bed. Plenty of room for the dogs and kids and can haul my horse trailers fine. This is my first new vehicle as I always buy things I can wprk on myself. With all this new electronic and exhaust additive did I jump into a world of expensive or since I average 50,000 miles a year and dont idle my trucks much will I be ok? Im still trying to convince myself $56,000.00 was ok to spend and not have heart failure.

If I recall jackelope said idling DEF diesels wasn’t a good idea for long periods.

@jackelope

It’s not so much the DEF as it is the diesel particular filter and the regen process. We were DPF’ing and regen’ing a while before we had DEF.

[Tjkride]

So as long as I actually drive it and keep it full of the exhaust fluid I shouldnt have to many problems? Ive only owned 1st gen 7.3 powerstrokes for diesels. I want this to be the last truck I buy for atleast 20 years with out worry of breaking it for working like it a truck should be worked.

[Magnum_Willys]

So as long as I actually drive it and keep it full of the exhaust fluid I shouldnt have to many problems? Ive only owned 1st gen 7.3 powerstrokes for diesels. I want this to be the last truck I buy for atleast 20 years with out worry of breaking it for working like it a truck should be worked.

  Should be the last human-driveable truck you own !

[Tjkride]

I feel a little better about it. Its a gorgeous truck and I can fit all my big game I harvest and haul my cows and horses with it. I want to love it but new and change are never easy to accept. I just dont want to have to buy another truck until Im 45.

[RB]

So as long as I actually drive it and keep it full of the exhaust fluid I shouldnt have to many problems? Ive only owned 1st gen 7.3 powerstrokes for diesels. I want this to be the last truck I buy for atleast 20 years with out worry of breaking it for working like it a truck should be worked.

  Should be the last human-driveable truck you own !

Drove my last Dodge for 18 years had 260,000 plus miles. I would still own it but needed more room for the family. Even though the fuel economy is not as good, it makes up for it with more features and HORSEPOWER! Good lord it is just like driving a gas rig with how well it responds.

[Timberstalker]

I'm going to get one a few years old and desmog and uncork it

I heard somewhere last week if you do this you can fined if caught, and dealerships that work on these, or don’t turn you in can get fined.

Any truth to this anybody?

Probably a non issue where KF lives. Shops aren’t supposed to work on them if they’ve been deleted. Big fines for the shops.

Not many non-deleted ones over here, honestly.

[Crunchy]

I bought a 2017 Ram 2500 Limited with the 6.7, crew cab and long box.  Been an awesome truck so far.

[KFhunter]

The smog stuff is abrasive, and fouls up the intake over time.  It's not just a cummins thing either, all the diesels with recycled exhaust will have intakes with abrasive carbon build up.


This is the intake on a stock CTD, you can see the preheater grids are fully fouled.  Ooodles of pictures in the interwebs of soot buildup in newer diesel engines, and not just Dodges.

[KFhunter]

[KFhunter]

This explains a lot



https://www.drivingline.com/articles/egr-diesels-necessary-evil/

[Boss .300 winmag]

What year is that engine @KFhunter ?

[jackelope]

We have just as much egr valve issues with gas engines as we do with Diesel engines.

[jackelope]

This explains a lot



https://www.drivingline.com/articles/egr-diesels-necessary-evil/

I will discredit the article a little by saying we replace 6.7 powerstroke EGR coolers all. the. time.

[Tjkride]

Thats alot of build up. How many miles does it take before it becomes a problem? I really appreciate the responses and information. You guys and this forum are great, as for WA, it will take some more getting used to.

[KFhunter]

I don't know on the 2018/18 Dodges, I read on the Colorado forums some guys are seeing quite a bit at 30k miles, enough to trigger a check engine.

We have just as much egr valve issues with gas engines as we do with Diesel engines.

DI engines,  I have been thinking about installing a catch can on mine, keep the oil out of the intake

[KFhunter]

2016 Colorado duramax diesel at 6,500 miles.   It will plug up. 

[Mudman]

Its simple.  Every person makes the choice to delete or not based on $, laws and warranty.  The only fact is the engine likes being deleted, gets better mpg and makes better power.  Just like life-remove the Gov. as much as possible and all is better.    I have owned 3 diesel trucks and they all ran just a muffler so to speak. Buddies 2014 Cummins is free and is a beast now.  He is so happy except for the $1400 clutch upgrade.  My clutch is next on the hoist.

[KFhunter]

Solutions to clean them out 


http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/parts-accessories/1606-we-bench-test-diesel-egr-cooler-cleaning-solutions/

[Special T]

You couldn't convince me to spendnthe big $ on new diesels. At least some folks cannot delete kits on them after the warentee, but not everyone can. Too much $ for too much hassle.

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[jackelope]

2016 Colorado duramax diesel at 6,500 miles.   It will plug up. 

That can’t possibly be normal. There’s got to be more to the story.

[jackelope]

If you don’t “need” a diesel I don’t see the point in buying one. It seems there’s a crap ton of people who don’t actually need a diesel yet own one anyway. They’re ridiculously expensive to buy and they require maintenance, more expensive oil changes, etc.  They’re all hard on front ends too.  I think a lot of people just buy them so they can have a cool guy diesel truck. Don’t think they understand what they’re getting into.

[KFhunter]

If you don’t “need” a diesel I don’t see the point in buying one. It seems there’s a crap ton of people who don’t actually need a diesel yet own one anyway. They’re ridiculously expensive to buy and they require maintenance, more expensive oil changes, etc.  They’re all hard on front ends too.  I think a lot of people just buy them so they can have a cool guy diesel truck. Don’t think they understand what they’re getting into.

 


dealer tried to sell me a diesel colorado, nope.   I already have a cummins at home for any work I got to do, I want a quiet, clean, lightweight, quick to blow warm air gasser

[Tjkride]

If I didnt haul my live stock and round bales so often I would never have a diesel again. Ive yet to own one that was as cheap and easy to keep properly maintained and runnind properly as a good gas job.

[Boss .300 winmag]

Solutions to clean them out 


http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/parts-accessories/1606-we-bench-test-diesel-egr-cooler-cleaning-solutions/

Be careful with Power Purple it likes to eat paint, don’t ask me how I know. 

But it’s a great degreaser. 

[follow maggie]

If you don’t “need” a diesel I don’t see the point in buying one. It seems there’s a crap ton of people who don’t actually need a diesel yet own one anyway. They’re ridiculously expensive to buy and they require maintenance, more expensive oil changes, etc.  They’re all hard on front ends too.  I think a lot of people just buy them so they can have a cool guy diesel truck. Don’t think they understand what they’re getting into.

Status symbol. People here love to look tough & rugged. Most of the diesel owners I know have never towed anything in their lives, but they move from one diesel rig to the next as soon as they start having troubles from the egr. I for one love my 8.1L big block. To quiet, reliable, pulls anything I want and no egr to mess with.

[Boss .300 winmag]

If you don’t “need” a diesel I don’t see the point in buying one. It seems there’s a crap ton of people who don’t actually need a diesel yet own one anyway. They’re ridiculously expensive to buy and they require maintenance, more expensive oil changes, etc.  They’re all hard on front ends too.  I think a lot of people just buy them so they can have a cool guy diesel truck. Don’t think they understand what they’re getting into.

Status symbol. People here love to look tough & rugged. Most of the diesel owners I know have never towed anything in their lives, but they move from one diesel rig to the next as soon as they start having troubles from the egr. I for one love my 8.1L big block. To quiet, reliable, pulls anything I want and no egr to mess with.

I agree with the status symbol theory.

I bought my new in 2004 knowing I was going to need it in the future, thought it was going to be a large toy hauler, bought our place with acreage later, then later bought our tractor of 8000+ lbs, it could be towed with a 1 ton gasser but not as fun. 

[Miles]

Pulling the 15,000lb 5’er with a diesel is enjoyable.  The thing rolls over hills with low rpm’s and isn’t screaming like a gas rig.  Going down the hill, just hit the exhaust brake and enjoy the view.
   However, like Jackelope said, you better be ready for an increase in maintenance costs.  I do mine all in house and it’s still more than owning a gas rig.   The wife has said several times “that truck always needs something done to it”. 

[White Pass Outfitters]

Well Ive got a 08 Dodge 2500 that the the BS stuff is pulled off.
its a 4 door with aftermarket Bumper, air bags, super duty hitch, B&W drop down hitch, Sprayed in Bed liner, Tires and rims, 14" dvd player, up graded stereo, Bull Dog tuner, No bs electronics, roll up windows and manual door locks. Truck flat out walks away from the new ones.. 121000 miles and now my wife wants sell it.
Its in mint condition: $21,500.00 All Im saying I think the older ones are more dependable than the new ones... All WPO stuff is off now.

[Tjkride]

The main reason I went new is because of the seats. After getting blown up, if the seat isnt perfect, after 30 minutes or so I cant walk after being in a vehicle. My powerstrokes were plane jane everything with bench seats and I loved them, but now I cant ride in them with out falling out of them later. Im 25 and feel like a broken chevy. (I hate duramax) but I keep working for myself and just have to spend more money for creature comforts I used to hate and think were foolish. If I didnt need a diesel I would have one, the status symbol is too true.  I also went new because kids get a diesel with mommy and daddy's money, mod it out, beat the hell out of it and then sell it when problems appear. I dont want any of that.

[dyhardhuntr]

New diesels now a days are more intense today than they ever have been. Technology and EPA regs have ruined them. That said just drive that truck. Don’t idle for long periods. That’s how you plug egr coolers and have regen issues. I would be surprised if you went they def in an oil change interval. You will see more def usage when you tow though so just be mindful and don’t let it get too low. There is a cleaner out that has been used effectively to clean egr coolers. You put a bottle in the fuel tank and then fill the fuel filter with the other part of the cleaner and run the crap out of it. I wouldn’t believe it if I hadn’t seen it work. I’ve changed egr coolers on just about every newer diesel out there except the Cummins. Enjoy your new truck man!


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[Tjkride]

Thank you all. I'll just work the fire out of her and see how it goes.

[fish vacuum]

If you don’t “need” a diesel I don’t see the point in buying one. It seems there’s a crap ton of people who don’t actually need a diesel yet own one anyway. They’re ridiculously expensive to buy and they require maintenance, more expensive oil changes, etc.  They’re all hard on front ends too.  I think a lot of people just buy them so they can have a cool guy diesel truck. Don’t think they understand what they’re getting into.

Ding ding ding!

[KFhunter]

The main reason I went new is because of the seats. After getting blown up, if the seat isnt perfect, after 30 minutes or so I cant walk after being in a vehicle. My powerstrokes were plane jane everything with bench seats and I loved them, but now I cant ride in them with out falling out of them later. Im 25 and feel like a broken chevy. (I hate duramax) but I keep working for myself and just have to spend more money for creature comforts I used to hate and think were foolish. If I didnt need a diesel I would have one, the status symbol is too true.  I also went new because kids get a diesel with mommy and daddy's money, mod it out, beat the hell out of it and then sell it when problems appear. I dont want any of that.

You don't need to justify to anyone on this forum your purchasing a diesel, and no one is specifically addressing you or saying that you didn't need a diesel, just pointing out that a lot of folks buy them and don't work them properly.   I hope you find comfort in your new truck.  I just wanted you to know about the smog crap on your truck so you can modify your driving habits to limit the impact from the EGR.  Idling, city driving, short drives..but if you're hauling livestock and hay it'll clean out good 

[Tjkride]

I appreciate it KF. When my wife drives it, it will surely see its top speed everytime. I love the woman but her driving requires a blindfold and a cigarette. 8 years of marriage and its hasnt gotten better.

[jackelope]

Ya. The guys who are using these trucks for what they’re supposed to be used for will be fine. I’m talking about the flat brim bro dudes in Bellevue running their diesels driving through downtown Bellevue to work at the mall. Those are the guys who have no business owning them.