209 Muzzy's In Washington

[TommyGun496]

Thanks,  really hoping this doesn't get approved.  If it does I hope my fears aren't realized, WA already packs a lot of people into a few Muzzy units, this would just make those units more crowded for at least the next 3 years.

In the next year, you can expect the number of new muzzleloader hunting licenses to double, now that the ML gun laws have changed to allow inlines.

All the gun stores in Pennsylvania are going to enjoy the added business. This will turn into a nice boost of your sporting goods economy. Plus the State reaps the cash flow from the additional license fees and taxes added to the sales of all the MLs and accessories.

It's a Plus-Plus for the Pennsylvania economy.

Inlines are already legal.  The only change would be the 209 ignition that will be allowed.

[GoexBlackhorn]

In that case, adding 209 ignition allows better ignition from powders like......
Blackhorn 209
Pyrodex Select
American Pioneer
Shockey Gold
Alliant Black Mag
Alliant Blue Mag pellets
White Hots pellets
Pyrodex pellets.

For shooters currently using either real blackpowder or 777, no added benefit really, when changing to 209 ignitions.

[bobcat]

Can I ask what this has to do with Pennsylvania? How would a change here in Washington affect anything in Pennsylvania?

[JimmyHoffa]

In that case, adding 209 ignition allows better ignition from powders like......
Blackhorn 209
Pyrodex Select
American Pioneer
Shockey Gold
Alliant Black Mag
Alliant Blue Mag pellets
White Hots pellets
Pyrodex pellets.

For shooters currently using either real blackpowder or 777, no added benefit really, when changing to 209 ignitions.

It isn't just 209, any firearm primer would be legal as will a closed/weather-resistant breech.

[Sabotloader]

In that case, adding 209 ignition allows better ignition from powders like......
Blackhorn 209
Pyrodex Select
American Pioneer
Shockey Gold
Alliant Black Mag
Alliant Blue Mag pellets
White Hots pellets
Pyrodex pellets.

For shooters currently using either real blackpowder or 777, no added benefit really, when changing to 209 ignitions.

It isn't just 209, any firearm primer would be legal as will a closed/weather-resistant breech.

Which still would not change much in the big picture.  You can easily make your current percussion cap breech water proof also... That has been done for decades!

[buglebrush]

Can I ask what this has to do with Pennsylvania? How would a change here in Washington affect anything in Pennsylvania?

Nothing, but they're terrified anyway     

[JeffRaines]

I don't understand the fear.

A good majority of the modern guys pull their guns out a couple weeks before season, fire a few rounds and call it good. I'd say a good percentage don't really leave their rigs much while hunting. What makes you think these hunters are going to suddenly put in the time and effort to learn a new weapon and become proficient with it, then suddenly start leaving their trucks and roaming the woods? Its not a realistic conclusion based on whats at stake.

Sure, if we're talking optics, then yes... because said guys would be able to go and watch over clearcuts in their rigs and take 200+ yard shots with ease, after all the modern muzzleloader isn't far off from a centerfire when it comes to accuracy and ability.

As far as it being a slippery slope... I can't see that either. The optic would make such a huge difference, even with the rules we have now. Changing the cap rules would just make it easier to find caps, you wouldn't be restricted to certain powders, and most importantly you could go buy any muzzleloader off the shelf. You wouldn't have to worry about it being "NW Legal" or some crap.

[pilebuck60]

Model 700 um laminated will be my choice

[carpsniperg2]

For the 209 powders, do they run cleaner and foul less? Never played with them so curious if cleaner I might give them a go if not I’ll stick to 777

[floatinghat]

For the 209 powders, do they run cleaner and foul less? Never played with them so curious if cleaner I might give them a go if not I’ll stick to 777

Yes, BH209 is very clean and leaves no crud ring.  If you want you could use BH209 now by duplexing 5 to 10gr of your choice of BP or sub and the remainder of your load BH209.  It's not worth the effort for me if I have to make a follow up shot.  I am not advocating duplexing and this is purely informational how BH209 could be ignited without a 209 primer.

[BULLBLASTER]

Doesn’t bh209 require solvents for cleaning? As compared to 777 that cleans up with water or windex. I haven’t used it but do enjoy the ease of cleaning that 777 provides.
If the 209 passes I will swap to them and change from loose pack to pellets for powder.

[carpsniperg2]

that's kinda my thoughts as well. Always run loose 777 but will for sure try some of the other options if it passes and they can run cleaner.

[Sabotloader]

Doesn’t bh209 require solvents for cleaning? As compared to 777 that cleans up with water or windex. I haven’t used it but do enjoy the ease of cleaning that 777 provides.
If the 209 passes I will swap to them and change from loose pack to pellets for powder.

This is how I clean BH or T7



You really might not like pellets with 209 ignition... that combination can produce a heck of a crud ring - you are far better off using loose T7 and the mildest primer you can find...

[BULLBLASTER]

Good info sabot. Thanks.
My cleaning regimen has been to spray some windex in the barrel and run back and forth with a brush a few times and then rinse with hot water. Then dry with patches and finally oil the bore with a patch followed by a dry patch. He breech plug, nipple and bolt all get toothbrush treatment with windex.
The switch to pellets will be for ease of carrying and loading extra shots. I find myself spilling powder if excited and trying to load fast. 
With the loose 777 I have been able to shoot 12+ shots without cleaning... will I not be able to shoot as many with pellets? Also will the 209 primer crud clean up with windex?

[Sabotloader]

Good info sabot. Thanks.
My cleaning regimen has been to spray some windex in the barrel and run back and forth with a brush a few times and then rinse with hot water. Then dry with patches and finally oil the bore with a patch followed by a dry patch. He breech plug, nipple and bolt all get toothbrush treatment with windex.
The switch to pellets will be for ease of carrying and loading extra shots. I find myself spilling powder if excited and trying to load fast. 
With the loose 777 I have been able to shoot 12+ shots without cleaning... will I not be able to shoot as many with pellets? Also will the 209 primer crud clean up with windex?

You were able to load that many rounds using T7 - because you were using a cap ignition.  Using a 209 primer creates a great deal more heat at the ignition point which then creates the 'crud ring'.  Even shooting loose T7 with a 209 primer can create a 'crud ring' depending on what you might be using in your bore.  Pellets normal create a greater amount of 'crud' when ignited with a 209 primer.

The 'crud ring' is easily cleaned with a Windex patch.  When I shoot T7 with a 209, I can normally load 3-4 shots before I really need to run a patch.