Wild cattle and feral pit bulls

[Curly]

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-feral-bulls-20180302-story.html

Feral cattle terrorize hikers and devour native plants in a California national monument




I have a simple solution for the land managers.  Let hunters take them. 

[KFhunter]

man, I don't know if I want to face a snarling cow 

[Boss .300 winmag]

The comments are entertaining. 

[wolfbait]

Cows scare snowflake? Wonder what their reaction will be with the cuddly wolves.

[Curly]

Cows scare snowflake? Wonder what their reaction will be with the cuddly wolves.

In reading the comments on that article someone suggested releasing wolves to solve the problem. 

[Sandberm]

Ha! Pretty sure thats the area I hiked back around thanksgiving 2014 when my wife and I went down to Palm Springs to visit her son and his wife, who was stationed at 29 Palms in the Marines.

I thought it weird that there were hoof tracks everywhere and another hiker informed me that the area had "feral" cattle roaming around though I never saw one. I never saw any pitbulls either.

 I thought it odd that they didnt corral (catch)the cattle as they are worth something.

[Bullkllr]

Cattle can be scary!

They used to range cattle out at Ft. Lewis when I was a teenager. A few of them seemingly went feral.  I had a couple close encounters in thick brush. One was a large bull/steer- looked like a Charlois with 3 foot horns- bust out of a thicket straight toward me. I was grouse hunting, but I was more likely to pee myself than use my 20 gauge single shot.

[Alchase]

The really sad part of this problem is it could be solved with $200 in ammo, and a couple of hunters, but they will spend millions debating for years, and still not resolve the problem.

[Whitpirate]

Hell just let some archers take care of it.

[elkboy]

I used to backpack down in the Sierra Juarez (northern Baja California), and if you went into the rugged canyons on the east side of the range, there were a lot of unbranded cattle. They could be pretty aggressive! Seems you could solve the problem in this news story pretty easily, though!

I know a few folks with ranches down in California, and they frequently have to shoot feral dogs. 

[KFhunter]

The really sad part of this problem is it could be solved with $200 in ammo, and a couple of hunters, but they will spend millions debating for years, and still not resolve the problem.

Why would they want to do that?  These cattle are turning hearts and minds away from public grazing.


If they really wanted them out, then they's set down some salt blocks near a water source, once the cattle are accustomed to the salt put a corral around it.   It's pretty simple.

I think it's harder to catch pigeons than cattle 

[Jpmiller]

Cows scare snowflake? Wonder what their reaction will be with the cuddly wolves.

I've come across cattle in the national forest and they scare me. Not at all the tame pasture dwellers I was used to. I give them a real wide berth now they can get real aggressive.

[wolfbait]

The really sad part of this problem is it could be solved with $200 in ammo, and a couple of hunters, but they will spend millions debating for years, and still not resolve the problem.

Why would they want to do that?  These cattle are turning hearts and minds away from public grazing.


If they really wanted them out, then they's set down some salt blocks near a water source, once the cattle are accustomed to the salt put a corral around it.   It's pretty simple.

I think it's harder to catch pigeons than cattle 

 If the USFWS was to invent an endangered turtle amongst the cattle, I'm sure the BLM would jump at the chance to gather a herd...

Cows scare snowflake? Wonder what their reaction will be with the cuddly wolves.

I've come across cattle in the national forest and they scare me. Not at all the tame pasture dwellers I was used to. I give them a real wide berth now they can get real aggressive.

Yep, occasionally you will find a few range cattle that even though they have been worked, can have a tendency to be mean, comparing cow scares to wolf/wolves is whole a different ball game.

I guess for some, cows would be a scary situation, time for some little brass bells?

Surprise the USFWS haven't released wolves there yet, maybe it isn't ideal wolf habitat unless the cows belong to a rancher.

[Alchase]

The really sad part of this problem is it could be solved with $200 in ammo, and a couple of hunters, but they will spend millions debating for years, and still not resolve the problem.

Why would they want to do that?  These cattle are turning hearts and minds away from public grazing.


If they really wanted them out, then they's set down some salt blocks near a water source, once the cattle are accustomed to the salt put a corral around it.   It's pretty simple.

I think it's harder to catch pigeons than cattle 

Good point.

That would cost substantially more than the $200 in ammo, lol

[KFhunter]

The really sad part of this problem is it could be solved with $200 in ammo, and a couple of hunters, but they will spend millions debating for years, and still not resolve the problem.

Why would they want to do that?  These cattle are turning hearts and minds away from public grazing.


If they really wanted them out, then they's set down some salt blocks near a water source, once the cattle are accustomed to the salt put a corral around it.   It's pretty simple.

I think it's harder to catch pigeons than cattle 

Good point.

That would cost substantially more than the $200 in ammo, lol

how so?  Haul them to the sale yard.

[Simcoe hunter]

Weyerhauser had this problem back in the 70's over in the Kalama River area when I was a yout'. There was quite a little herd as I recall, something like 50 critters.  I was a teenager when we moved there and the "damage hunt" had taken place the year before we moved to the lower hatchery.  It's easy peasey lemon squeezy to resolve.  But I feel wildlife agencies are less concerned with involving hunters than they used to be.

[Knocker of rocks]

Weyerhauser had this problem back in the 70's over in the Kalama River area when I was a yout'.

Channeling Joe Pesci? 

[Simcoe hunter]

Weyerhauser had this problem back in the 70's over in the Kalama River area when I was a yout'.

Channeling Joe Pesci? 

Good job Knocker.  Was curious who would catch that.

[pianoman9701]

They won't use guns to solve this problem. Guns can't be seen as a positive tool right now. They'll spend millions on helicopters, darting and euthanizing, then wasting/destroying the meat so evil guns remain so; only evil. CA residents will drink the koolaid every frikkin' time. I'd simply love to help them take care of this problem for around $1 a pull.

[Calvin Rayborn]

Nothin worse at tearin up good ground than feral cattle.

[Stein]

What prevents a guy from shooting one and loading it up?  If that was Washington, wouldn't it be considered unclassified wildlife and fair game year round with any weapon and no license?

[bigtex]

What prevents a guy from shooting one and loading it up?  If that was Washington, wouldn't it be considered unclassified wildlife and fair game year round with any weapon and no license?

No.

State livestock laws in WA only permit removal of "trespass livestock" only by the sheriff's office or the brand inspector. There's no vigilante shooting of cows in WA.

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[biggfish]

Everyone throwing out dollar estimates for ammo should bump those numbers up. Remember this is in California where you can't use lead ammo.

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[fortrich]

Didn't know cows can be feral 

[Skyvalhunter]

That first part of the Crest trail can be an eye opening experience with cattle and pit bulls on the trail for those starting their trek northward.

[KFhunter]

Didn't know cows can be feral 

Go to Hawaii, you can get a tag and hunt them.

https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/dofaw/announcements/puuoo/


different areas have different draws, rules and I think some are native Hawaiian only.

[Calvin Rayborn]

What prevents a guy from shooting one and loading it up?  If that was Washington, wouldn't it be considered unclassified wildlife and fair game year round with any weapon and no license?