Proposal to eliminate harvesting of cow elk for archery hunters in 8 game units

[Skyvalhunter]

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[Matth]

I'm for eliminating antlerless elk harvest with a general archery tag.  But I do think they should be allotted some antlerless permits.

This seems reasonable to me. open season general cow harvest needs to stop for all user groups.

[92xj]

For the 300 units being discussed, please in fill in the blank with accurate answers.

For hunting season 2017

#of cows killed and tagged by archery hunters = _________
# of cows killed and tagged by Muzzleloader hunters = ________
# of cows killed and tagged by Modern Firearm hunters = ________
# of cows killed on a depredation permit (or whatever wdfw calls it = _______
 

[stackemup]

That can't be answered the state hasn't even processed that data yet. Or done a winter count survey in region 3. In there proposal they quote  (likely ) herds are below objective.

[baker5150]

For the 300 units being discussed, please in fill in the blank with accurate answers.

For hunting season 2017

#of cows killed and tagged by archery hunters = _________
# of cows killed and tagged by Muzzleloader hunters = ________
# of cows killed and tagged by Modern Firearm hunters = ________
# of cows killed on a depredation permit (or whatever wdfw calls it = _______

Even if harvest reports were out, it would be an educated guess based on averages.

In district 8, 2016, not a single branched antlered bull was killed amongst all weapon types. 

[Special T]

For the 300 units being discussed, please in fill in the blank with accurate answers.

For hunting season 2017

#of cows killed and tagged by archery hunters = _________
# of cows killed and tagged by Muzzleloader hunters = ________
# of cows killed and tagged by Modern Firearm hunters = ________
# of cows killed on a depredation permit (or whatever wdfw calls it = _______

Even if harvest reports were out, it would be an educated guess based on averages.

In district 8, 2016, not a single branched antlered bull was killed amongst all weapon types.

The numbers do exist on the web page, however they do leave some info out to confuse us. ALL special tag harvest numbers are combined so as to make it more difficult to see the massive difference in harvest sucess rates between permitts.

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[TriggerMike]

For the 300 units being discussed, please in fill in the blank with accurate answers.

For hunting season 2017

#of cows killed and tagged by archery hunters = _________
# of cows killed and tagged by Muzzleloader hunters = ________
# of cows killed and tagged by Modern Firearm hunters = ________
# of cows killed on a depredation permit (or whatever wdfw calls it = _______

Even if harvest reports were out, it would be an educated guess based on averages.

In district 8, 2016, not a single branched antlered bull was killed amongst all weapon types.

100% false. I'm getting the feeling that most people don't understand the harvest statistics or how to look at them.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/2016/reports/elk_permits_gmu.php?District=8

[baker5150]

For the 300 units being discussed, please in fill in the blank with accurate answers.

For hunting season 2017

#of cows killed and tagged by archery hunters = _________
# of cows killed and tagged by Muzzleloader hunters = ________
# of cows killed and tagged by Modern Firearm hunters = ________
# of cows killed on a depredation permit (or whatever wdfw calls it = _______

Even if harvest reports were out, it would be an educated guess based on averages.

In district 8, 2016, not a single branched antlered bull was killed amongst all weapon types.

100% false. I'm getting the feeling that most people don't understand the harvest statistics or how to look at them.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/2016/reports/elk_permits_gmu.php?District=8

HAH,  your right, I was looking at general only, my bad 

[baker5150]

My point, although I was completely wrong on the numbers, is that they are using a flawed system.  They are relying on harvest reports that aren't complete, then using averages.  Then, they don't do a count.  So how is any of this accurate enough for a scientific determination.  It's an educated guess at best.

[Special T]

The upper right hand corner has a tab that isolates districts and GUM.

It takes quite a bit of time to find the info digging around.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/2016/elk_general.html



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[TriggerMike]

I agree that the interface could definitely be more user friendly.

[Oh Mah]

For the 300 units being discussed, please in fill in the blank with accurate answers.

For hunting season 2017

#of cows killed and tagged by archery hunters = _________
# of cows killed and tagged by Muzzleloader hunters = ________
# of cows killed and tagged by Modern Firearm hunters = ________
# of cows killed on a depredation permit (or whatever wdfw calls it = _______

you forgot to add how many modern hunters how many muzzy hunters how many archery hunters,that way you can see the rate of harvest as was pointed out so nicely by popeshawnpaul.As far as the hunters not reporting accurately being a reason for inaccuracy well i guess that's on us not them don't you agree?

[Special T]

For the 300 units being discussed, please in fill in the blank with accurate answers.

For hunting season 2017

#of cows killed and tagged by archery hunters = _________
# of cows killed and tagged by Muzzleloader hunters = ________
# of cows killed and tagged by Modern Firearm hunters = ________
# of cows killed on a depredation permit (or whatever wdfw calls it = _______

you forgot to add how many modern hunters how many muzzy hunters how many archery hunters,that way you can see the rate of harvest as was pointed out so nicely by popeshawnpaul.As far as the hunters not reporting accurately being a reason for inaccuracy well i guess that's on us not them don't you agree?

If you use the link I provided it breaks many of those things down for you. 2c

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[Special T]

Here is a screen shot from my phone for 2 of the gmu in question.

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[jstone]

What about the muzzy and modern cow permits?  That’s not all the cows they shot