A few thoughts on mountain goat permits

[scottcrb]

Wow great post just read all 8 pages. Very eye opening and good info. Hope to some day get lucky enough. Nice work Josh and great looking Billy Jon .

[Tbar]

Its silly that WDFW hasn't made permits Billy only. People are provided enough information to make the correct judgment call.

You seem to have a good handle on the goat management and dynamics.  I still would like to know if you guys made the determination that it was a nanny before the shot?  Not trying to criticize just would like an account from people with the experience. 

[blacktailer]

A good and fair question Tbar.  I have been curious myself.

[bearpaw]

900 goat Permits in 1969. 900!!

We have 27 now.

Now think of the number of mountain goats killed by the National Park Service in the Olympic nation park. It is well over a thousand, the exact number is hard to pinpoint might be double that, they like to hide that information. Now think of a 6 to 8% reproductive increase that the number of goats killed by the NPS in the Olympic national park would have had on the overall mountain goat population in Washington State had they been relocated. Mad yet?

I just read that Utah increased goat permits from 106 to 117 and the population is growing. WA is messed up on so many levels! 

[jackelope]

900 goat Permits in 1969. 900!!

We have 27 now.

Now think of the number of mountain goats killed by the National Park Service in the Olympic nation park. It is well over a thousand, the exact number is hard to pinpoint might be double that, they like to hide that information. Now think of a 6 to 8% reproductive increase that the number of goats killed by the NPS in the Olympic national park would have had on the overall mountain goat population in Washington State had they been relocated. Mad yet?

I just read that Utah increased goat permits from 106 to 117 and the population is growing. WA is messed up on so many levels! 

There's good work going on here to increase tag #'s too.

[bearpaw]

900 goat Permits in 1969. 900!!

We have 27 now.

Now think of the number of mountain goats killed by the National Park Service in the Olympic nation park. It is well over a thousand, the exact number is hard to pinpoint might be double that, they like to hide that information. Now think of a 6 to 8% reproductive increase that the number of goats killed by the NPS in the Olympic national park would have had on the overall mountain goat population in Washington State had they been relocated. Mad yet?

I just read that Utah increased goat permits from 106 to 117 and the population is growing. WA is messed up on so many levels! 

There's good work going on here to increase tag #'s too.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/living/mountain_goats.html

Mountain Goats
Between 2,400 and 3,200 mountain goats are estimated to live in Washington. Mountain goats are native to the Cascade Range, and can be found from the Canadian border on the north to the Oregon border on the south.  A few mountain goats inhabit the Blue Mountains of southeastern Washington where they have probably colonized from reintroductions in Oregon. Mountain goats are not native to the Olympic Peninsula; these goats descended from introductions in the 1920s.

The number of goat permits in WA is criminal. If I remember correctly, other than Alaska, WA has the most goats in the US.

[jackelope]

900 goat Permits in 1969. 900!!

We have 27 now.

Now think of the number of mountain goats killed by the National Park Service in the Olympic nation park. It is well over a thousand, the exact number is hard to pinpoint might be double that, they like to hide that information. Now think of a 6 to 8% reproductive increase that the number of goats killed by the NPS in the Olympic national park would have had on the overall mountain goat population in Washington State had they been relocated. Mad yet?

I just read that Utah increased goat permits from 106 to 117 and the population is growing. WA is messed up on so many levels! 

There's good work going on here to increase tag #'s too.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/living/mountain_goats.html

Mountain Goats
Between 2,400 and 3,200 mountain goats are estimated to live in Washington. Mountain goats are native to the Cascade Range, and can be found from the Canadian border on the north to the Oregon border on the south.  A few mountain goats inhabit the Blue Mountains of southeastern Washington where they have probably colonized from reintroductions in Oregon. Mountain goats are not native to the Olympic Peninsula; these goats descended from introductions in the 1920s.

The number of goat permits in WA is criminal. If I remember correctly, other than Alaska, WA has the most goats in the US.

All I said was there were people working in hopes of aquiring more tags.
There are.


https://goatalliance.org/blogs/news/2016-goat-rocks-wilderness-washington-project-recap

The same thing in 2017 in the ALW but there seems to be issues with the article(like, there is none)
https://goatalliance.org/blogs/news/washington-enchantments-2017-project-recap

If you're not familiar with the Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance, check it out.
https://goatalliance.org/


OUR MISSION


Our mission is to increase and enhance the management, range, and populations of Rocky Mountain Goats

across both native and suitable non-native North American habitats without negatively impacting native ungulates

while educating the public of ongoing conservation projects and petitioning for the expansion

of sustainable hunting opportunities across the continent.

[bearpaw]

900 goat Permits in 1969. 900!!

We have 27 now.

Now think of the number of mountain goats killed by the National Park Service in the Olympic nation park. It is well over a thousand, the exact number is hard to pinpoint might be double that, they like to hide that information. Now think of a 6 to 8% reproductive increase that the number of goats killed by the NPS in the Olympic national park would have had on the overall mountain goat population in Washington State had they been relocated. Mad yet?

I just read that Utah increased goat permits from 106 to 117 and the population is growing. WA is messed up on so many levels! 

There's good work going on here to increase tag #'s too.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/living/mountain_goats.html

Mountain Goats
Between 2,400 and 3,200 mountain goats are estimated to live in Washington. Mountain goats are native to the Cascade Range, and can be found from the Canadian border on the north to the Oregon border on the south.  A few mountain goats inhabit the Blue Mountains of southeastern Washington where they have probably colonized from reintroductions in Oregon. Mountain goats are not native to the Olympic Peninsula; these goats descended from introductions in the 1920s.

The number of goat permits in WA is criminal. If I remember correctly, other than Alaska, WA has the most goats in the US.

All I said was there were people working in hopes of aquiring more tags.
There are.


https://goatalliance.org/blogs/news/2016-goat-rocks-wilderness-washington-project-recap

The same thing in 2017 in the ALW but there seems to be issues with the article(like, there is none)
https://goatalliance.org/blogs/news/washington-enchantments-2017-project-recap

If you're not familiar with the Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance, check it out.
https://goatalliance.org/


OUR MISSION


Our mission is to increase and enhance the management, range, and populations of Rocky Mountain Goats

across both native and suitable non-native North American habitats without negatively impacting native ungulates

while educating the public of ongoing conservation projects and petitioning for the expansion

of sustainable hunting opportunities across the continent.

I hope you are right. You may have taken my post wrong, I was just pointing out the numbers.

I'm very familiar with RMGA, one of my guides has worked on two projects this year and going to work on another before summer end.

[CaNINE]

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