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It's clear we're not going to see eye to eye on this. Let's just push for studying the hell out of the issue from all angles and see what's found. In the mean time I'll believe my theory, and you can believe yours, but let's not peddle either as fact until there are some.
I spoke to a guy two days ago that swears he saw an elk in ID with hoof rot.
Piano, I get that, this is also close to the Preserve in Glenwood as well, animals wander but to simply eradicate is something interesting to consider. The article discussed "up to 20" taken, but was not clear on intent toward all in group with any having rot or just rot animals. That herd is about 20 strong give or take.. Where will it end? what if this works? will they simply go this route across western wa? lots of potential negative implications to this measure...
Herd is alot bigger than 20. A good hundred head in the group.
Are ya kidding? Grouse took huge drop since the eighties. Were you around then? Hmm. Nat Parks with no spraying have healthy elk, and grouse. WDFW cant even name it Trep but call it something else instead. Lepto? Not what independent science claims. Why? Why are these chems banned in most the civilized world but not here? $ lobby? U fooling yourself by ignoring basic facts. Did you read the CDC report on Atrazine? You should. The other chems aren't good either. Research em. Atrazine, 2,4-D, Glyphosate, hexazinope, 4L, Crosshair, Transline, velpar DF. I don't even know what some are, its an endless list.
I think maybe they should look closer at the livestock side of things. I think the rise in hoof rot correlates with the rise in the “organic “ movement. Changing the normal meds livestock get may make city people want to buy more and may even seem better for the livestock in some instances. But it changes how they affect the wild animals they live around. Even if there hasn’t been an uptick in hoof rot in livestock it doesn’t mean how much of bad stuff they carry around hasn’t changed. I think they should at least look close at that side of it.
Quote from: BlackBellyHumpBack on May 23, 2018, 12:19:57 PMI think maybe they should look closer at the livestock side of things. I think the rise in hoof rot correlates with the rise in the “organic “ movement. Changing the normal meds livestock get may make city people want to buy more and may even seem better for the livestock in some instances. But it changes how they affect the wild animals they live around. Even if there hasn’t been an uptick in hoof rot in livestock it doesn’t mean how much of bad stuff they carry around hasn’t changed. I think they should at least look close at that side of it.Rural farms have been raising organic as in no meds given to thier livestock for years prior to it becoming a fad.😉I have never given shots to my beef.
beef producers don't want hoof rot, any large producer that feed lots their beef (the most likely to have hoof rot) is going to inoculate them for it. They can't sell downers as there's laws about slaughter facilities and auction houses accepting downer cattle. Anyone raising beef non gmo, grass fed, doesn't need to inoculate them because they aren't standing belly deep in feces 24/7. Elk aren't getting hoof rot from cattle producers, large or small.