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Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« on: May 09, 2018, 07:47:05 PM »
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5af04b20e4b041fd2d28bd88/amp


An Open Letter From Hunters About Gun Reform

Daniel Ashe
Guest Writer


We are Republican, Democratic and independent. We come from the East, South, Midwest and West. We are conservative, progressive and liberal. We are men and women. We include eight members of the Circle of Chiefs, the highest conservation honor of the Outdoor Writers Association of America. We are all different in many ways, but we have important commonalities. We are Americans; we are gun owners; we are hunters; and we support responsible firearm regulation.

Yes, the Second Amendment conveys a right to “keep and bear” firearms. But rights come with responsibilities, and we all have a moral responsibility to address America’s crisis of gun violence.

We avoid the term ”common sense,” understanding the wisdom in Voltaire’s words ― “Common sense is not so common.”

Perhaps nature’s unpredictability, or the predictability that either our abilities or our equipment will fail at the most inopportune moment, have conditioned us to find solace in simplicity. We believe simple and responsible steps can and must be taken to end the cycle of gun violence and tragedy to which we are all witness in today’s America.


We do not need AR-15s or any assault-style weapon to hunt game.
We are at a turning point. There are now 265 million guns in private ownership — more than at any time in our nation’s history, and owned by a smaller proportion of the population than ever. Only about 30 percent of Americans own guns, and about 60 percent live in gun-free households. The long-term trend away from gun ownership will continue. As people who own and use guns respectfully, we feel an urgency to speak up for a simple, sensible approach.

Hunters and hunting are also declining. In 1955, 10 percent of Americans hunted. Today, it’s less than 5 percent. But the positive image of the hunter as a skilled and conscientious “sportsman” is being abused in defense of an out-of-control gun culture.

Most hunters own guns principally to hunt game. We use them safely and respectfully: If someone is injured during their use, it will most likely be a friend or family member, since that is who we hunt with. We don’t buy a lot of guns. We usually have a few favorites, often passed down to us by fathers or grandfathers. The gun industry figured that out decades ago, and switched to creating guns for a different market.


That’s not to say that all hunters are like-minded on the issue of regulating firearms. As our numbers have dwindled, many have found a comforting alliance with Second Amendment radicalism. But we believe this is not representative of most hunters, and certainly not the tradition of the hunter-sportsman.

We do not need AR-15s or any assault-style weapon to hunt game. That’s not to say some people won’t use them to hunt. But they are simply not necessary, and are actually not preferable for legitimate, fair-chase hunting.

We believe that simple, responsible reforms in firearm policy are an urgent necessity. Hunting and hunters should not be seen, or used, as a shield against constructive bipartisan solutions. We see the need and opportunity to frame compromise between the Second Amendment’s right to keep and bear arms and the Fifth Amendment’s right to life and liberty.

Here’s where we would begin:


1. An age minimum of 21 years to purchase any gun;

2. Anyone on the Terrorist Screening Center’s “no-fly list” may not purchase or possess firearms;

3. Anyone on Social Security disability due to mental illness may not purchase or possess firearms;

4. Prohibit new sales of semiautomatic assault or tactical-style weapons;


5. Prohibit new sales of semiautomatic shotguns or rifles (except .22-caliber rim fire) that can hold more than 10 rounds;

6. Prohibit any accessory designed or mechanical modification intended a) to increase the rate at which any firearm may be discharged; or b) to increase the magazine capacity of a semiautomatic rifle beyond 10 rounds (except .22-caliber rim fire);

7. Mandatory and universal background checks for all firearm sales;

8. Prohibit sales of firearms except through registered/licensed dealers (no direct private sales);


9. Enact gun violence restraining order authorities allowing courts to temporarily prohibit a person from purchasing or possessing firearms when a family member, community welfare expert or law enforcement officer presents evidence of a threat; and

10. Repeal the “Dickey ban” on scientific research in the area of gun violence and implement the Institute of Medicine’s 2013 gun violence research agenda.

These suggestions are simple to implement and enforce. They do limit the rights of honest and law-abiding citizens, but they are responsible limitations that do not infringe the ability of Americans to hunt, shoot, or protect themselves and their families. And in comparison to the 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School who have been stripped of all of their rights, and of life and liberty, it is a small price to pay.

There are simple, responsible solutions. No one should use hunters and hunting as an excuse to avoid pursuing them.



Daniel M. Ashe, former U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service director
Ted Williams, environmental journalist*
Paula Del Giudice, outdoor writer and hunter*
Mike Furtman, outdoor writer and photographer, hunter and former gun dealer*
Jim Low, former president of the Outdoor Writers Association of America and 13-time recipient of the Izaak Walton League’s Outdoor Ethics Communication Award*
Dr. Leonard Lee Rue III, wildlife photographer*
Brian Rutledge, conservation leader and naturalist
Scott Stouder, outdoor writer, conservationist and lifelong hunter*
Dr. Kris Thoemke, outdoor writer, conservationist and hunter*
Joel Vance, current member and former president of the Outdoor Writers Association of America*
George Harrison, retired nature journalist*

*Member of the Circle of Chiefs, the highest conservation honor of the Outdoor Writers Association of America

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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2018, 07:56:44 PM »
No.
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I wonder how many people will touch their nose to their screen trying to read this...

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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2018, 07:58:17 PM »
HP article :rolleyes: Just another propaganda piece...
"second amendment radicalism" :rolleyes:

I don`t agree with anything on that list. They don`t speak for me as a hunter & second amendment radicalist.... :chuckle:

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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2018, 08:01:44 PM »
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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2018, 08:03:57 PM »
No.
:yeah: I'm surprised Jim Zumbo didn't sign that....

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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2018, 08:32:53 PM »
I wonder which dictionary they used to look up "infringe"?
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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2018, 08:36:46 PM »
Freaking hippie liberals!
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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2018, 08:36:53 PM »
NO!None of it.No one can even fathom the number of guns in any household that's there illegally,Or has been floated down the family tree.They don't have any idea how many guns have been sold on the black market in the past 20 years brought in from other countries like the dope.
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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2018, 08:38:00 PM »
Joke oh heck no.

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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2018, 08:43:00 PM »
As if.... first off the 2A isn't about hunting. Second the USFS or USFW isn't exactly the biggest friend to sportsmen these days. I'm supposed to take my marching orders about guns from a federal agency that makes it illegal to shoot a coyote  and has engaged in sue and settle tactics to keep from logging  which would drastically improve game forage.

I'll keep my logic, inform my kids, and teach them the ignorance of the general populace.

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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2018, 08:48:51 PM »
What ones of 1-10 do you disagree with?
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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2018, 09:54:49 PM »
3,9,10 are the only ones I'll give a maybee. Only because I'm not really sire what kind of nonsense they mean.

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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2018, 10:33:57 PM »
propaganda  >:(
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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2018, 10:46:01 PM »
Complete and total BS. 

This gives new meaning to the phrase "Fake News".
Welcome to liberal America, where the truth is condemned and facts are ignored so as not to "offend" anyone


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Re: Do you agree with "hunters" ??
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2018, 10:48:44 PM »
That's cute.
The 2nd amendment is not about defending ourselves from the tyranny of deer.
I'm against all limitations to law abiding Americans.
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