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Re: Why do people say they didnt hunt on the HIP
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2018, 02:21:18 PM »
To me its kind of like talking to the fish checkers at the launches. All encounters with salmon are considered as if you caught and killed the fish even though it got off or you released it. Those "encounters" go against the quota. I hear guides tell them they didn't loose any nor did they releaese any. Everything that bit was a keeper.

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Re: Why do people say they didnt hunt on the HIP
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2018, 02:42:55 PM »
Also maybe that someone doesn't want the state to know that maybe they have 100 ducks in their freezer at home when the limit might be 2 days possession?  Sounds screwy until you think that last year the fish cops in California descended on Lambertville, CA (a concentration of about 40 duck shacks) and wrote many, many tickets for possession over the limit.

If they are in the freezer, they do not count as part of your possession limit.

99% sure that is false by the rule of the law but I have never heard it enforced. Sorry for the sidetrack to original intent of the thread

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SALMON

Possession limit - 2 daily limits in fresh form. An additional 40 pounds of SALMON may be possessed
in frozen or processed form (see pages 10-11).

From page 15.  I thought it was unlimited, but 40 pounds is quite a few more than two.  We take freezers and vacuum packers to fish camp and have had more than one chat with an officer who didn't bat an eye.  For our family of four, we could have 160 pounds which is far more than we would ever have on hand.

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Re: Why do people say they didnt hunt on the HIP
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2018, 03:20:16 PM »
Most years I buy the waterfowl endorsement I don't end up hunting migratory birds.

Fudging on the reporting can have the opposite effect.  Assume a population has a 20% drop from preseason estimates to postseason.  If only half of the harvest is reported, then that drop is attributed to half the actual harvest, resulting in a lower estimated population and more restrictions in future years. 
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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Re: Why do people say they didnt hunt on the HIP
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2018, 05:01:03 PM »
Here is Idaho's rules on possession limit in a home freezer, from the reg book.  Possession limit is 3X the legal daily bag limit.
•     No person shall possess more than one daily limit on the
opening day of the season. See pages 8-13.
•     No person shall possess more than the possession limit even
when such birds are stored at home or are being processed at
a commercial preservation facility.

I think (but I am not certain) that I can gift a possession limit to each member of my household.  In my case, my wife and could have six possession limits in the freezer.  That's only 24 dark geese and 42 ducks.

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Re: Why do people say they didnt hunt on the HIP
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2018, 05:13:52 PM »
I will be honest, when it comes to my fish report, I mark them on my catch card and that’s it, my report is that I didn’t fish, why ? Because the damn nets get more fish than I could ever catch, I go a few times a year and get what I will ONLY eat , nets don’t care what they kill yet our game department caters to the commercial guys and the natives!! And piss on us !!
my grandpa always said "if it aint broke dont fix it"

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Re: Why do people say they didnt hunt on the HIP
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2018, 07:43:37 PM »
Also maybe that someone doesn't want the state to know that maybe they have 100 ducks in their freezer at home when the limit might be 2 days possession?  Sounds screwy until you think that last year the fish cops in California descended on Lambertville, CA (a concentration of about 40 duck shacks) and wrote many, many tickets for possession over the limit.

If they are in the freezer, they do not count as part of your possession limit.

There is still a huge debate about that.
USFW doesn't consider a duck, not a duck, until it has been eaten or taxidermied. That is their opinion, not any law.
Some states count them.
In WA, the daily limit role, ends at your car.
The rule says, between place taken and your automobile, or place of abode.
But it is still being debated.
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Re: Why do people say they didnt hunt on the HIP
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2018, 10:37:50 PM »
They list a number of things in the question ,  I mark / answer "did not hunt" on geese and doves and anything other than ducks which I list accurately.  I take a goose if it is a volunteer to my duck hunt but don't hunt them specifically, doves I don't bother with in this state.
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Re: Why do people say they didnt hunt on the HIP
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2018, 09:27:26 AM »
They list a number of things in the question ,  I mark / answer "did not hunt" on geese and doves and anything other than ducks which I list accurately.  I take a goose if it is a volunteer to my duck hunt but don't hunt them specifically, doves I don't bother with in this state.
I think this is part of the issue / concern. What I am out on a deer hunt. I am also out for a bear hunt and cougar hunt even though it is not my original intent. So long as I'm hunting with the appropriate tag and there is an Open Season I am out for whatever I can legally obtain. Won't many of you shoot a grouse went out deer hunting?

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Re: Why do people say they didnt hunt on the HIP
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2018, 11:10:47 AM »
Also maybe that someone doesn't want the state to know that maybe they have 100 ducks in their freezer at home when the limit might be 2 days possession?  Sounds screwy until you think that last year the fish cops in California descended on Lambertville, CA (a concentration of about 40 duck shacks) and wrote many, many tickets for possession over the limit.

If they are in the freezer, they do not count as part of your possession limit.

There is still a huge debate about that.
USFW doesn't consider a duck, not a duck, until it has been eaten or taxidermied. That is their opinion, not any law.
Some states count them.
In WA, the daily limit role, ends at your car.
The rule says, between place taken and your automobile, or place of abode.
But it is still being debated.

USFW doesn't have jurisdiction to draft or revise WA law.  There can be debate about what it should be, but there is no debate about what the current law is in WA.

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Re: Why do people say they didnt hunt on the HIP
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2018, 08:52:38 PM »
USFW has governance over the migratory waterfowl act.
State laws are in compliance with that act.
All the waterfowl regulations come from the migratory act and the North American migratory treaty.
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