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Re: Hunters Beware: Landlocking Public Access
« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2018, 12:16:58 PM »
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I agree, do your own research!
When you start to use your vote for hunting and public lands first you will start to find that not all blue is against hunting, guns, Wilderness, roadless areas, pro-wolf and not all red is for public access and federally managed lands where so much of go hunting! If you start to vote hunting and public lands first you will start to get out of the deep blue and deep red and see that both sides of the isle can find common ground on things. Our society is so divided from social media and ultra liberal or conservative sites, news, talk shows, etc. that getting unbiased reporting is almost impossible. Fake news, slandering, selective reporting is rampant and ruining us.
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Re: Hunters Beware: Landlocking Public Access
« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2018, 08:02:59 PM »
It amazes me how some will blind themselves so deeply by making this a Republican/ Democrat issue.

Public land in states hands is the worst possible scenario.
Not now days I think. What with almost a 100mil coming in from legal marijuana a legal Gambling. From some of my research lots of money from both go into the General fund and think it can be distributed as needed. Yes! Most of it is earmarked for Law Enforcement, and Education etc..., but some does go into the General fund to be used as needed.
States that can self sustain can take over their/our own lands, and keep them open.
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Re: Hunters Beware: Landlocking Public Access
« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2018, 08:26:17 PM »
It amazes me how some will blind themselves so deeply by making this a Republican/ Democrat issue.

Public land in states hands is the worst possible scenario.
Not now days I think. What with almost a 100mil coming in from legal marijuana a legal Gambling. From some of my research lots of money from both go into the General fund and think it can be distributed as needed. Yes! Most of it is earmarked for Law Enforcement, and Education etc..., but some does go into the General fund to be used as needed.
States that can self sustain can take over their/our own lands, and keep them open.

I would argue that taking a couple years of revenues is not enough to overcome the history of states selling off land.

USFS and BLM land are free to access.  DNR is $35 for a discover pass.

Every state has different state land access requirements, federal land is pretty consistent throughout.
People get offended at nothing at all. So, speak your mind and be unapologetic.

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Re: Hunters Beware: Landlocking Public Access
« Reply #78 on: October 02, 2018, 08:40:11 PM »
It amazes me how some will blind themselves so deeply by making this a Republican/ Democrat issue.

Public land in states hands is the worst possible scenario.
Not now days I think. What with almost a 100mil coming in from legal marijuana a legal Gambling. From some of my research lots of money from both go into the General fund and think it can be distributed as needed. Yes! Most of it is earmarked for Law Enforcement, and Education etc..., but some does go into the General fund to be used as needed.
States that can self sustain can take over their/our own lands, and keep them open.

I would argue that taking a couple years of revenues is not enough to overcome the history of states selling off land.

USFS and BLM land are free to access.  DNR is $35 for a discover pass.

Every state has different state land access requirements, federal land is pretty consistent throughout.
Well do it slowly... just add in one area or two every few years, adding in language these lands can't be sold. Meaning only give the state/s parcels of land to manage every few years that they can afford, with said language.
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Re: Hunters Beware: Landlocking Public Access
« Reply #79 on: October 02, 2018, 08:50:54 PM »
But yeah it's true on the y2y partner page: The nature conservancy is on that list. They're more eco friendly rather than hunter, and access friendly.
Most of what I read was to fight global warming, make lands into National parks etc...

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Re: Hunters Beware: Landlocking Public Access
« Reply #80 on: October 03, 2018, 07:08:48 AM »
Hmm, yet Idaho voted something like 82% Rep.  Your argument is flawed to me.  It seems its about 80-90% Rep support eh?
They are accurately 48% rep, 11% dem and 40% in affiliated.
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/2017/may/22/gop-still-posting-strong-numbers-idaho-full-sunday-column/
Also in 2013 they voted to demand that the feds hand over all land to Idaho control.
https://legislature.idaho.gov/wp-content/uploads/sessioninfo/2013/legislation/HCR022.pdf

Utah has similar demographics 48% rep and 12% dem where republican rep. Bob Bishop has been on his train to divest all of the federally managed public lands in the entire country.

I think the majority will vote for whomever they perceive can win and who will benefit their well being and values.

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Also in 2013 they voted to demand that the feds hand over all land to Idaho control.
There was a fear during the Obama years of discontinued access and use of Federal lands. Some people (including some sportsmen) do not want any mining, no logging, and no oil or gas production on public lands. These activities and others are important to the security and wealth of America, especially rural America. Under Trump we have gone from being energy dependent on the middle east to being an energy export country, we have more jobs, and a booming economy.

Obama's policies were strangling local economies, I myself supported the transfer of federal lands to state control as public lands. I would never support any net loss of public lands! But at the time Obama was strangling many rural areas, Obama was killing rural America, so transferring federal lands to state control was gaining a lot of traction. Currently I see it as a non-issue, under the Trump administration we are seeing an emphasis on energy and resource independence, local rural economies are flourishing. The Trump Admin has reversed the usurping of lands into monuments and so you see the push for transfer of lands to state control has diminished. However, the reality is that if we get another president like Obama who starts impacting rural areas by trying to make huge swaths of land into parks/monuments, I expect the push to transfer federal lands to state lands will gain steam again.

Idahoans, Utahans, and other western residents love their public land, but I can personally tell you, "and I deal with all the state and federal agencies every year in multiple states and districts" the USFS and BLM were taking away recreational use, access, and industrial use on a regular basis. I think most westerners want to use the public lands for recreation and for economic benefit, they do not want their use taken away by federal bureaucrats sitting in far away offices making monuments and parks that shut down local economies and block public use of the lands. So my advice to the liberals is to look for more reasonable candidates if you want to keep from making state/federal land control an issue again in the future!

And I'm going to add one more- if you cant get behind BHA because of land Tawney but can get behind any other organization or group while occassionally disagreeing with actions or statements of it's leader- then you are being unfair and holding a group and person to a higher standard than you hold yourself to because of bias.

Just an example: voted for Trump now even after he gave money to Democrats in the past ( or more recently, insulted a POW.) This is just an easy example for this crowd. Obviously, I can produce them for the other side of the aisle too.

I don't think it's at all unreasonable to question the motives of certain leaders of certain groups who are spending large amounts of money to impact political elections. It's not at all unreasonable to see that if a group could dupe large numbers of sportsmen into supporting them that it would give them more political leverage. In fact, it likely gave groups in Montana the leverage to impact the election results. Public lands is the issue that has been propped up by certain group leaders, what other ulterior motivations do they have. By getting Tester elected it gave Obama more congressional control over all issues in America. By electing more liberals from numerous states it could completely change the political landscape and land use issues.

It's very naive to think that very liberal organizations are contributing very large amounts of money to certain "hunting" groups to insure there are lands open for hunters to hunt. Obviously some of you must believe that or else you think you can dupe the rest of us into thinking that? At any rate, there is much more at play than keeping public lands open to hunting. If liberal leaning groups were successful at getting enough liberals elected I would expect big changes in land use. I would expect huge expansions to National Parks, larger and increased numbers of monuments, and access reduced to many lands currently being used by millions of Americans, that's what these liberal leaning groups who give money to BHA advocate for. The bottom line is that there are plenty of groups we can support that advocate for public land use for all, or you can take your chances and support groups who's leaders appear to be very friendly, very supportive, and accepting large amounts of money from the very groups who want to stop hunting and using that money to support liberal candidates who will vote the way the liberal groups desire.

Just some food for thought, think about it then follow your conscience!

(For the record, I support nearly all hunting groups, but I have asked BHA questions regarding their funding and political goals, they did not even reply to those questions!)

Interesting and aligns with Bearpaws reasoning...

https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/02/conservative-climate-promotion/?utm_medium=email

Nonprofit foundations gave conservative groups $10 million to promote liberal energy policies.
That effort includes targeting young conservatives and social conservatives for climate “education.”
The Christian Coalition received more than $4 million to spread the climate gospel among its membership.
Wealthy charitable foundations spent $10 million on an effort that included handing money to conservative and libertarian think tanks and grassroots organizations to promote “a stable climate” and “a clean energy future” among other environmental issues, The Daily Caller News Foundation has found.

For example, two foundations that promote liberal energy policies handed nearly $4.2 million to the Christian Coalition to sway its conservative, religious membership of policies typically associated with liberals and environmentalists, according to grant information from tax filings from 2008 to 2016.

The Christian Coalition describes itself as “one of the largest conservative grassroots political organizations in America.”

However, the group received funding from charitable foundations since 2008 to “identify and educate supporters of renewable energy within the conservative community,” “advance policy solutions for a stable climate” and other related efforts, according to two grant descriptions.

The group, headed by Roberta Combs, did not respond to TheDCNF’s request for comment.

“Environmental foundations have funded faux-conservative groups for many years to make it seem like their radical climate ideology has a broader consensus than it really does,” Institute for Energy Research (IER) President Tom Pyle told TheDCNF.

“If you see so-called conservative or free market groups pushing for policies that are anti-free market, follow the money, odds are left-leaning environmental foundations are supporting it,” Pyle said.

TheDCNF’s findings are based on tax filings of 10 charitable foundations detailing grants to more than 1,500 activists groups, think tanks and others between 2008 and 2016. Grants and tax data were compiled by IER and made public on the website “Big Green Inc.”


Carbon Tax Cash

The rise of so-called “eco-conservatives” has attracted media attention in recent years, but many conservative activists see the eco-right as part of a broader effort to popularize liberal policies aimed at phasing out fossil fuels and fighting global warming.

Former South Carolina Rep. Bob Inglis, a Republican, is one of those “eco-conservatives” who has made a career of promoting a carbon tax and green energy policies. However, his group, the Energy & Enterprise Institute (EEI), got more than $101,000 in 2012 from the Energy Foundation. Inglis founded EEI in 2012 out of George Mason University.

“We were grateful to get some funding from Energy Foundation early on,” Inglis told TheDCNF, adding that they haven’t gotten any funding from the wealthy foundation lately. “We would love for them to come back.”

The San Francisco-based Energy Foundation was founded in 1991 to promote a “sustainable energy future by advancing energy efficiency and renewable energy,” according to its website.

The foundation, however, is typically associated with funding left-wing environmental causes. In fact, President Barack Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency chief joined the foundation’s board in September, and, from 2009 to 2013, the nonprofit took money from billionaire Tom Steyer’s foundation.

Steyer, a former hedge fund manager, made a name for himself opposing the Keystone XL oil pipeline, founding a political action group that has moved onto other issues, including advocating for President Donald Trump’s impeachment.

Inglis became a climate activist after losing to a primary challenger in 2010, largely because of his support for a carbon tax. Since then, Inglis has generated headlines as a conservative concerned about global warming. (RELATED: Inside The $4 Billion Wealthy Liberal Foundations Handed To Environmentalists)

The former congressman cast a carbon tax as a “free market” solution to global warming that economists consider a carbon tax the most efficient way to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

However, he admits the idea has more traction on the political left than the right, which is why he works with progressives on the issue.

“Why would I not happily receive money from any progressive looking for a free market solution to climate change?” Inglis said in an interview.

IER’s database also shows groups like the R Street Institute and Niskanen Center, known for their efforts to promote a carbon tax, received $2.1 million and $550,000, respectively, from liberal foundations, according to Big Green Inc.’s data.

R Street, Niskanen and EEI are “on the vanguard of reminding conservatives what is actually conservative,” Inglis told TheDCNF.

Inglis is on R Street’s board of directors, and R Street President Eli Lehrer is on the Niskanen Center’s advisory board. The former lawmaker recently went on a national tour to promote a carbon tax among conservatives, NBC News reported.

However, Pyle said groups promoting a carbon tax are being fueled by liberal foundations. Pyle said liberal support for a carbon tax should raise suspicions among conservatives.

The reality is there is nothing ‘conservative’ about groups pushing for liberal policies like a carbon tax,” Pyle said.

Most prominent conservative groups and Republican lawmakers oppose a carbon tax. A coalition of 21 groups signed a statement supporting an anti-carbon tax House resolution.

Louisiana Republican Rep. Steve Scalise’s anti-carbon tax resolution passed the House in July with all but six Republicans voting for it. When introducing the resolution, Scalise said a carbon tax “would raise costs on everything we buy from electricity and gasoline to food and everyday household products.”

“A 2014 Heritage Foundation report found that a $37 per ton carbon tax would lead to a loss of more than $2.5 trillion in aggregate gross domestic product by 2030,” reads the coalition’s statement on Scalise’s bill.

“That is more than $21,000 in income loss per family,” reads the letter. “In addition, a carbon tax would cost over 500,000 jobs in manufacturing and more than 1 million jobs by 2030. According to a 2013 CBO report, a carbon tax is highly regressive.”

The Energy Foundation did not respond to TheDCNF’s request for comment.

Targeting Social Conservatives

Despite describing itself as “one of the largest conservative grassroots political organizations in America,” the Christian Coalition got nearly$4.2 million from two wealthy liberal foundations, according to Big Green Inc. data.

A $100,000 grant from the Energy Foundation to the Coalition in 2012 is for “outreach to socially conservative audiences on energy reform policies.” Two Energy Foundation grants to the Coalition in 2013, totalling $255,000, went towards pushing “policy solutions for a stable climate.”

“To identify and educate supporters of renewable energy within the conservative community,” reads the description of one $100,000 grant the Energy Foundation gave the Coalition in 2012.

The Energy Foundation also gave the National Wildlife Federation a $125,000 grant in 2011 for the environmental group’s “partnership with the Christian Coalition and engage conservative leaders on energy issues.”

The Christian Coalition also took $1 million from the The William & Flora Hewlett Foundation between 2013 and 2016 to support an affiliate group called Young Conservatives for Energy Reform (YCER).

YCER is headed by Michele Combs, Roberta Combs’ daughter. (RELATED: A New Report Details How Nonprofits Are Funneling Millions To Democratic Governors To Further Their Global Warming Agenda)

The group’s mission is to identify and train “young conservative influential leaders” and represent their “point-of-view on energy reform before local councils, state legislatures, and Congress.”

The Hewlett Foundation’s grant says YCER “brings together young, professional, and socially conservative leaders in key states to support state and federal clean energy policies.”

The Hewlett Foundation’s environmental grants are meant to “protect people and places threatened by a warming planet by addressing climate change globally, expanding clean energy, and conserving the North American West,” according to its website.

The charitable group was one of 29 organizations that pledged $4 billion over the next five years to fight global warming. That amount included $600 million the Hewlett Foundation promised in December 2017 that it would spend on global warming activism.

Hewlett and others made the announcement at the Global Climate Action Summit in September in San Francisco. The summit was co-hosted by California Governor Jerry Brown, a Democrat, and former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a major environmental campaigner.

Neither the Hewlett Foundation nor Michele Combs responded to TheDCNF’s request for comme

 


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