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Is the BT rut over?
« on: November 17, 2018, 10:00:42 PM »
Was out all day today. Saw 16 different deer. All does except one little spike that wasnt worth the time. I know there is a 4x4 and two 2x2's in the area but no sign of them chasing does. Have them on camera solo??? No new rubs either. Must be done.

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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2018, 10:34:49 PM »
I know of 2 2 points that were killed yesterday both had a doe they were hanging with. Today we saw 4 does and none had a buck. Tough weather for sure.

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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2018, 11:16:56 PM »
Probably not done but more than likely, the does are just in between cycles (if their not already pregnant).  If there are no hot does in your area, the bucks that you know live there normally will likely not hang out and wait for another doe to go into estrus.  Instead, I think they'll go look elsewhere for love, and check back every day or two near their core area.    The bucks can use thermals to scent check a whole bench or hillside without even getting close to the does, so if there's no girls close to being ready to breed, the bucks may just keep traveling on by to the next area holding does.  There's no time to waste when the boys are looking for love.  Also, while rubbing is considered a territorial marker, it is also done out of frustration when the bucks are waiting for the first round of does to come into estrus in October.  They pick a bush or a tree and rub or beat it up.  Once many does really start breeding, much of the rubbing and bush thrashing behavior seems to stop.

I wouldn't call it a terribly unusual year, but the timing of estrus cycles seems to be off normal by just a few days, at least down here.  We had a burst of chasing and breeding activity from around 22 Oct through the end of the month.  Estrus cycles occur on average, every 21 days.  Something like 70 - 80% of does don't conceive until the second estrus cycle, so if you count days from the last observed burst of activity, you can pretty much count days to when the next estrus cycle will begin.  In my case down here, if a hot doe was bred on the 22nd and didn't conceive, she should hit her next estrus around the 11th of November, (plus or minus a day or two).  (The second breeding cycle is when the majority of does conceive and that period is what the scientists doing studies call the peak of the rut, which this date falls into)  If a doe was hot but unsuccessfully bred on 31 October, then she will start her next estrus sometime around the 21st of November.  From my and other local hunter's observations, we seemed to have a new burst of activity last weekend (10 - 12 Nov), which seems right on schedule based on previous rutting activity, but not perfect timing for many of the Quality Tag selectees nor the Late Buck season MF hunters.  But that burst of activity is not 100% of the does that will got hot during this period, but perhaps it might have been the majority of them.

So it appears the stars didn't completely align for the Late Buck season, but there is virtually always some level of rutting activity throughout November.  The warm relatively dry weather complicates matters as well. Regardless, there is always a doe or two within just a day or so of starting estrus at this point in the month.  They seem to emit smells or pheromones that bucks can detect a couple days in advance of the onset of heat.  Once that happens a buck will likely stay with her till she allows him to breed her.  Other bucks in that area will either fight for her or move on and look for another prospect.  Only if you're out in the woods will you have a chance to come across either that doe with a buck in tow or the buck out searching for a new girlfriend.  They're still doing the rut thing.  You should keep hunting till time runs out.
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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2018, 06:15:27 AM »
I have been keeping tabs on a couple of bucks for my daughter if she ever gets over her pneumonia and they both are still swollen and come into scent.  Had a 2 point push a doe around my apple tree and across my yard at 2 this morning.  Saw 2 big bucks yesterday pushing does hard, one across a busy road.  One in Centralia and one at Hawks Prairie.  There are still a few interested in the ladies.

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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2018, 07:49:15 AM »
Probably not done but more than likely, the does are just in between cycles (if their not already pregnant).  If there are no hot does in your area, the bucks that you know live there normally will likely not hang out and wait for another doe to go into estrus.  Instead, I think they'll go look elsewhere for love, and check back every day or two near their core area.    The bucks can use thermals to scent check a whole bench or hillside without even getting close to the does, so if there's no girls close to being ready to breed, the bucks may just keep traveling on by to the next area holding does.  There's no time to waste when the boys are looking for love.  Also, while rubbing is considered a territorial marker, it is also done out of frustration when the bucks are waiting for the first round of does to come into estrus in October.  They pick a bush or a tree and rub or beat it up.  Once many does really start breeding, much of the rubbing and bush thrashing behavior seems to stop.

I wouldn't call it a terribly unusual year, but the timing of estrus cycles seems to be off normal by just a few days, at least down here.  We had a burst of chasing and breeding activity from around 22 Oct through the end of the month.  Estrus cycles occur on average, every 21 days.  Something like 70 - 80% of does don't conceive until the second estrus cycle, so if you count days from the last observed burst of activity, you can pretty much count days to when the next estrus cycle will begin.  In my case down here, if a hot doe was bred on the 22nd and didn't conceive, she should hit her next estrus around the 11th of November, (plus or minus a day or two).  (The second breeding cycle is when the majority of does conceive and that period is what the scientists doing studies call the peak of the rut, which this date falls into)  If a doe was hot but unsuccessfully bred on 31 October, then she will start her next estrus sometime around the 21st of November.  From my and other local hunter's observations, we seemed to have a new burst of activity last weekend (10 - 12 Nov), which seems right on schedule based on previous rutting activity, but not perfect timing for many of the Quality Tag selectees nor the Late Buck season MF hunters.  But that burst of activity is not 100% of the does that will got hot during this period, but perhaps it might have been the majority of them.

So it appears the stars didn't completely align for the Late Buck season, but there is virtually always some level of rutting activity throughout November.  The warm relatively dry weather complicates matters as well. Regardless, there is always a doe or two within just a day or so of starting estrus at this point in the month.  They seem to emit smells or pheromones that bucks can detect a couple days in advance of the onset of heat.  Once that happens a buck will likely stay with her till she allows him to breed her.  Other bucks in that area will either fight for her or move on and look for another prospect.  Only if you're out in the woods will you have a chance to come across either that doe with a buck in tow or the buck out searching for a new girlfriend.  They're still doing the rut thing.  You should keep hunting till time runs out.

Fishnfur that is some really great info right there. I will be back out there today right after church. With 15 does within a 50 acres piece of ground there should be one shooter around. Thanks for the info.

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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2018, 09:55:26 AM »
Probably not done but more than likely, the does are just in between cycles (if their not already pregnant).  If there are no hot does in your area, the bucks that you know live there normally will likely not hang out and wait for another doe to go into estrus.  Instead, I think they'll go look elsewhere for love, and check back every day or two near their core area.    The bucks can use thermals to scent check a whole bench or hillside without even getting close to the does, so if there's no girls close to being ready to breed, the bucks may just keep traveling on by to the next area holding does.  There's no time to waste when the boys are looking for love.  Also, while rubbing is considered a territorial marker, it is also done out of frustration when the bucks are waiting for the first round of does to come into estrus in October.  They pick a bush or a tree and rub or beat it up.  Once many does really start breeding, much of the rubbing and bush thrashing behavior seems to stop.

I wouldn't call it a terribly unusual year, but the timing of estrus cycles seems to be off normal by just a few days, at least down here.  We had a burst of chasing and breeding activity from around 22 Oct through the end of the month.  Estrus cycles occur on average, every 21 days.  Something like 70 - 80% of does don't conceive until the second estrus cycle, so if you count days from the last observed burst of activity, you can pretty much count days to when the next estrus cycle will begin.  In my case down here, if a hot doe was bred on the 22nd and didn't conceive, she should hit her next estrus around the 11th of November, (plus or minus a day or two).  (The second breeding cycle is when the majority of does conceive and that period is what the scientists doing studies call the peak of the rut, which this date falls into)  If a doe was hot but unsuccessfully bred on 31 October, then she will start her next estrus sometime around the 21st of November.  From my and other local hunter's observations, we seemed to have a new burst of activity last weekend (10 - 12 Nov), which seems right on schedule based on previous rutting activity, but not perfect timing for many of the Quality Tag selectees nor the Late Buck season MF hunters.  But that burst of activity is not 100% of the does that will got hot during this period, but perhaps it might have been the majority of them.

So it appears the stars didn't completely align for the Late Buck season, but there is virtually always some level of rutting activity throughout November.  The warm relatively dry weather complicates matters as well. Regardless, there is always a doe or two within just a day or so of starting estrus at this point in the month.  They seem to emit smells or pheromones that bucks can detect a couple days in advance of the onset of heat.  Once that happens a buck will likely stay with her till she allows him to breed her.  Other bucks in that area will either fight for her or move on and look for another prospect.  Only if you're out in the woods will you have a chance to come across either that doe with a buck in tow or the buck out searching for a new girlfriend.  They're still doing the rut thing.  You should keep hunting till time runs out.

Fishnfur that is some really great info right there. I will be back out there today right after church. With 15 does within a 50 acres piece of ground there should be one shooter around. Thanks for the info.

I agree with that.  Look for a doe with her tail sticking out at 90 degrees.  That is an indication that they're ready to go.  Keep your eyes on her and watch where she looks and where her ears turn when she hears something.  They're expecting a buck to show.  He might be there already, just hidden from view.  Good luck!
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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2018, 10:43:51 PM »
Backyard cam picked up the first doe in the yard in nearly 3 weeks.  She came in around 6:00 PM (17 Nov) and this dude made an appearance about an hour later, sniffing the ground occasionally as he circled the spot.  He seems to be a "local" - I've seen him three times this season, though I don't have the foggiest notion of where he calls home.   Seems like there's still some does in heat.  This is, by far, the latest in Nov. that I've had a buck in the yard.
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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2018, 08:58:35 AM »
Just watched a 3 pt chasin a doe yesterday up by Alger

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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2018, 12:40:19 PM »
In the past couple days I've seen a few giant bucks out chasing the girls around.

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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2018, 01:25:18 PM »
It ain't over till its over  ;).  As a general rule, pre-rut is mid October to early November; peak rut times/periods seem to vary from year to year (not quite as static as say the elk rut times) but seem to really be rolling hot from the first week in November to perhaps into the third week of the month.  Post-rut seemingly starts around the end of November and continues into December.  Yep, post-rut sees a decrease in mature buck activity (focus changes from chasing the gals to re-cooperating from the previous period's strenuous activities, retreating back into their core areas in many cases); the does have mostly been bred and get back to the business of fattening up for winter,..... "however", there are still some small to decent bucks (even a few mature ones) cruising and hanging around the does for long periods trying to get into the very last stages of the breeding action (cue the does who have not yet taken and are coming into subsequent estrus cycles).  For those of you who out and about in the black tail woods over the next few weeks into December, keep at it...... there "will" be bucks for the taking.     
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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2018, 02:35:03 PM »
Saw a buck chasing a doe today across 20 and I still have bucks on cams with does. Good luck!

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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2018, 06:46:11 PM »
my son shot this 4x4 on Sunday mid morning and his neck was huge.


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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2018, 10:02:53 PM »
 :tup:  Got 'er done!
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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2018, 10:10:17 PM »
my son shot this 4x4 on Sunday mid morning and his neck was huge.

Thats a dandy! Nice going.

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Re: Is the BT rut over?
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2018, 10:18:00 PM »
Great BT, congrats!
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