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What’s the point of a dog that points a bird 500 yards out. Certainly hope you don’t plan on hunting wild chukar any time soon. What did people do before gps collars? Hmmmm?
looks like some education going on in here keep it HW friendly, thanks for the PSA jetjokey, I've been enjoying watching your progression over the years here on HW. Hard to believe that dog is already retired.
looks like some education going on in here keep it HW friendly, thanks for the PSA jetjokey, I've been enjoying watching your progression over the years here on HW. Hard to believe that dog is already retired. I know I'd love a GPS but I hunt my dog pretty close in the timber/grouse areas. I use a bell and she doesn't get 100 yards from me. If I ever got to bigger country I'd have one 100%, maybe another dog, when I have more time....In fact my next dog is going to have one for sure, recall on a pup isn't a sure thing and a GPS could easliy save its life and save me from being late to work I've been kicking around getting a new pup but I want to get in a better position to give him the time it needs first. And I want to build a wolf proof kennel first.
Quote from: KFhunter on December 03, 2018, 12:13:56 PMlooks like some education going on in here keep it HW friendly, thanks for the PSA jetjokey, I've been enjoying watching your progression over the years here on HW. Hard to believe that dog is already retired. I know I'd love a GPS but I hunt my dog pretty close in the timber/grouse areas. I use a bell and she doesn't get 100 yards from me. If I ever got to bigger country I'd have one 100%, maybe another dog, when I have more time....In fact my next dog is going to have one for sure, recall on a pup isn't a sure thing and a GPS could easliy save its life and save me from being late to work I've been kicking around getting a new pup but I want to get in a better position to give him the time it needs first. And I want to build a wolf proof kennel first. Not education sir, opinions...
To the OP: I'm glad you had a good day and your buddy got his first rooster. Those old dogs are a pleasure to hunt with. You'll get that pup under control.
WTH merkelman? If you don't like the OP's post, find another thread or start your own. This site's purpose is to supporting other hunters.
I hope this isn’t too much of a thread jack but it kinda went weird for a minute there My 3 year old GWP likes to range way out always has. I have started to let him when there is no scent. When we get into birds (scent) he works closer and slower on his own. My problem though is the more I let him range out it seems like he gets worked up. I have to call him back and calm him down a little. How do I get him to range out but at a pace that quite honestly isn’t dangerous to him?
Quote from: jagermiester on December 06, 2018, 06:14:20 AMI hope this isn’t too much of a thread jack but it kinda went weird for a minute there My 3 year old GWP likes to range way out always has. I have started to let him when there is no scent. When we get into birds (scent) he works closer and slower on his own. My problem though is the more I let him range out it seems like he gets worked up. I have to call him back and calm him down a little. How do I get him to range out but at a pace that quite honestly isn’t dangerous to him?When you say dangerous, what do you mean? One thing I think guys need to understand about big running dogs is #1. They REALLY need a GPS and an E-collar. #2. The dog really needs to be 100% broke. Letting a puppy run and build it’s confidence with lots of birds is important, because when you break them, your essentially tearing that confidence down and putting pressure on them. Once the dog is broke, you build them back up again, and often times they will end up running bigger than before they were broke. Being broke is very important though. A dog that’s busting birds left and right at long distances is useless. However, a dog that’s 100% broke will be a huge benefit, even if they accidentally bump birds. I’ll give you an example. We hunt scaled quail in HUGE territory. Scaled quail run more than pheasants IMO, and getting a big covey pointed with a chance at a shot is nearly impossible. You can get them pointed, but they will flush before your close enough for a shoot. Here’s where the fun begins though. Once you get them pointed, and they flush, you go like hell and work them again. I’ve found that after the second flush, the birds will split up, but typically be within a 50-100 yards of each other. Scalies hold tight as singles! So now you have 50-60 wild birds in a small area that hold! Trust me when I say that is a hell of a lot of fun! Having a big running dog is a HUGE benefit when hunting desert areas like this, where you literally hunt for miles upon miles, and the scenery never changes. The walk in area in this picture was 20-30 thousand acres I believe, and all of it held birds. The covey she had pointed was actually a small covey of 10-15 birds. Small coveys will often hold similarly to the singles.
Quote from: jetjockey on December 06, 2018, 07:42:16 AMQuote from: jagermiester on December 06, 2018, 06:14:20 AMI hope this isn’t too much of a thread jack but it kinda went weird for a minute there My 3 year old GWP likes to range way out always has. I have started to let him when there is no scent. When we get into birds (scent) he works closer and slower on his own. My problem though is the more I let him range out it seems like he gets worked up. I have to call him back and calm him down a little. How do I get him to range out but at a pace that quite honestly isn’t dangerous to him?When you say dangerous, what do you mean? One thing I think guys need to understand about big running dogs is #1. They REALLY need a GPS and an E-collar. #2. The dog really needs to be 100% broke. Letting a puppy run and build it’s confidence with lots of birds is important, because when you break them, your essentially tearing that confidence down and putting pressure on them. Once the dog is broke, you build them back up again, and often times they will end up running bigger than before they were broke. Being broke is very important though. A dog that’s busting birds left and right at long distances is useless. However, a dog that’s 100% broke will be a huge benefit, even if they accidentally bump birds. I’ll give you an example. We hunt scaled quail in HUGE territory. Scaled quail run more than pheasants IMO, and getting a big covey pointed with a chance at a shot is nearly impossible. You can get them pointed, but they will flush before your close enough for a shoot. Here’s where the fun begins though. Once you get them pointed, and they flush, you go like hell and work them again. I’ve found that after the second flush, the birds will split up, but typically be within a 50-100 yards of each other. Scalies hold tight as singles! So now you have 50-60 wild birds in a small area that hold! Trust me when I say that is a hell of a lot of fun! Having a big running dog is a HUGE benefit when hunting desert areas like this, where you literally hunt for miles upon miles, and the scenery never changes. The walk in area in this picture was 20-30 thousand acres I believe, and all of it held birds. The covey she had pointed was actually a small covey of 10-15 birds. Small coveys will often hold similarly to the singles. I call it dangerous because I feel that he enjoys the whole thing so much that he gets going super fast and is likely to hurt himself on the dangers of running in chukar country.This past weekend for example we had a couple miles until we were into where the birds (typically) hold. I let him range and he was moving so fast at times and with his bike tire boots on I saw him fall a couple of times. I eventually took the foot protection off to give him a little more traction. Once we got into where we wanted we had a decision to make. He made it for us with a point 200 yards to our right . He held his point and my son and I each killed a bird. So it seems to be working minus the break of neck speed he is trying to cover Chukar country in. Honestly I'm not a helicopter parent but I'm a little worried he is going to hurt himself. I kept calling him back in and trying to calm him down. He was having the time of his life though.Once we were in the birds he was working in close on his own.
Problem is your dog was just that, a run off dog! Running big and running off are two totally different things. If a dog doesn’t handle for you, it’s useless. A dog can handle at 500-700 yards in open country, and in thick tight cover as well. Those huge running Pointers that compete in American Field All age Horseback trials have to run at Ames for 3 hours on a course that is pretty darn tight to win Nationals. Not only that, many of those dogs are guided over on the big plantations in South Georgia off foot. My puppy that ran off and had a blast was doing exactly what I want him to do. Building his confidence and running! The time will come to put some handle into him, but that time is not now. Btw. Run off trial dogs don’t win trials. The good trial dogs handle like a dream. I’m willing to bet that phrase was coined by someone who has never been to a trial.
Quote from: jetjockey on December 09, 2018, 04:32:14 PMProblem is your dog was just that, a run off dog! Running big and running off are two totally different things. If a dog doesn’t handle for you, it’s useless. A dog can handle at 500-700 yards in open country, and in thick tight cover as well. Those huge running Pointers that compete in American Field All age Horseback trials have to run at Ames for 3 hours on a course that is pretty darn tight to win Nationals. Not only that, many of those dogs are guided over on the big plantations in South Georgia off foot. My puppy that ran off and had a blast was doing exactly what I want him to do. Building his confidence and running! The time will come to put some handle into him, but that time is not now. Btw. Run off trial dogs don’t win trials. The good trial dogs handle like a dream. I’m willing to bet that phrase was coined by someone who has never been to a trial.I see my effort at construction was lost. I'll bite. If you need to get in a car to retrieve your dog, it has run off.
You’ve obviously never had a dog that truely handled. Go read Wildweeds post. It’s a beautiful thing when you can simply change directions and know your dog will show up out front, even at extreme ranges. That’s partially bred, and partially trained.
Quote from: jetjockey on December 09, 2018, 07:51:11 PMYou’ve obviously never had a dog that truely handled. Go read Wildweeds post. It’s a beautiful thing when you can simply change directions and know your dog will show up out front, even at extreme ranges. That’s partially bred, and partially trained.Obviously you know nothing about me, how many dogs I've had, or trained. Your statement about not having a dog that truly handled is dangerously close to insulting my dog, your hubris is shocking. I'm consoling my bruised pride by thinking warm thoughts of your puppy locking on point 700 yards downhill in the chukarlands.
